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If anybody knows the adress of Elena Tropsha who came to US from
Mosckow in 1985-89 mail it to me please.
Elena got her PhD from Mosckow University and worked
in Petrochemical Institute of Academy of Science.
My e-mail is csberfel@weizmann.weizmann.ac.il.
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15/01/1996
Privet, narody!
S 9 utra v stanice Pervomajskoj idet boj s primeneniem artillerii
i aviacii. Oficial'no eto nazyvaetsja "operacija special'nyh sil po
osvobozhdeniju zalozhnikov". Svedenija o poterjah, soobschaemye
storonami, protivorechivye (v desjatki raz). Selo k nochi pochti
polnost'ju sgorelo, zalozhniki, vidimo, perevedeny v betonnyj
bunker. Ne poluchili nikakogo nezavisimogo podtverzhdenija soobschenija
FSB (so ssylkoj na radioperehvaty), chto Raduev rasstreljal shest'
OMONovcev i dagestanskih starejshin (poslednee - vidimo, lozh'
bezuslovnaja). Vo vsjakom sluchae, jasno odno - zalozhnikov vlasti
"spisali v rashod".
V vechernej peredache novostej "Vesti" pokazali kartinku,
illjustrirujuschuju povtorennye v techenie dnja mnogo raz slova, chto
osvobozhdeny 9 zalozhnikov. Pokazali primerno treh iz nih (dvuh
dagestancev i odnogo russkogo), vid oni imeli rasterzannyj, odin
pozhalovalsja na sil'nyj holod. Strannyj rakurs, v kotorom ih
pokazyvali (ochen' krupnym planom sverhu, tak chto v kadre lico i
chast' grudi), a takzhe zhaloba raz'jasnilis' dostatochno sluchajno - v
konce sjuzheta kamera motnulas' v storonu, i polsekundy byl viden
obschij plan. "Osvobozhdennye" zalozhniki STOJaLI NA SNEGU NA KOLENJaH
POD PRICELOM dlinnostvol'nyh avtomatov. V ostal'nyh peredachah
novostej te zhe kadry sverhu-vblizi, no redaktura gramotnee.
"Tak vot ona, VAShA svoboda..."
Alik
PS Podrobnee napishu posle uzhe skoroj razvjazki. Tut esche mnogo chego
proishodit. E naznachil Glavoj Administracii Prezidenta Nikolaja
Egorova, byvshego "prokuratora Chechni", cheloveka otkrovenno
fashistskih ubezhdenij, vybrav naibolee udachnyj den' dlja ob'javlenija
- segodnja. V obschem, do zavtrashnego dnja. "Esli eto mozhno nazvat'
dnem".
A.
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Tragedija Kizljara (2)
11/01/1996
Hi folks!
Kak i predpolagalos', boeviki iz gruppy Radueva bystro uvjali,
otkazalis' ot vseh trebovanij politicheskogo haraktera,
ostalis' tol'ko - vypustit' ih. V rezul'tate, zabrav 150
zalozhnikov, iz nih okolo 30 ili 50 zhenschin i detej i 8 vysshih
dolzhnostnyh lic Dagestana (zam. spikera, neskol'ko ministrov
i zamministrov), oni vyehali po shosse, iduschemu vdol'
jugo-vostochnogo (pravogo) berega Tereka.
Dva dnja nachal'niki izobrazhali uverennost' i krovozhadnost'
(mol, vseh ub'em ljuboj cenoj), no E. ih rezko odernul.
Formulirovka zasluzhivaet interesa: "El'cin ne Stalin, a
Barsukov ne Berija". Vse proishodjaschee s kazhdym chasom delalos'
vse zagadochnee. Suetlivoe i strannoe povedenie "Dudaevskogo
zjatja" (na samom dele muzha trojurodnoj sestry), javnoe zhelanie
ego i ego ljudej kak-to ostat'sja v zhivyh, predskazuemoe
negodovanie dagestancev i drugih kavkazcev usugubljali
neponimanie smysla i celej terakta. Dudaev s podozritel'noj
bystrotoj priznal, chto neset polnuju otvetstvennost' za
proishodjaschee - obychno on temnit i staraetsja ne govorit'
nichego objazyvajuschego. Stoit otmetit', chto udar posledoval
cherez dva dnja posle prikaza Mashadova prekratit' napadenija na
rossijskie vojska - javnoj popytki esli ne predotvratit'
neizbezhnoe i zaplanirovannoe russkoe nastuplenie, to hotja by
vyigrat' propagandistskie ochki. Interesen etot parallelizm v
podstavke "pervymi" svoih "delovyh pomoschnikov".
Otstuplenie Radueva iz Kizljara imelo tozhe strannyj vid. 11
avtobusov i dva KAMAZa s boevikami (chislom okolo 100) i
zalozhnikami mchalis' po doroge (do mosta cherez Terek na
chechenskij bereg tam okolo 50 km po horoshej doroge), a vokrug
kruzhili boevye vertolety i... postrelivali v storonu kolonny!
Utverzhdaetsja, chto bylo popadanie v mashinu soprovozhdenija GAI
Dagestana. Pod'ehav k reke, oni obnaruzhili, chto Shelkovskij
most - vzorvan (vidimo, neskol'ko chasov nazad). Posle etogo
kolonna rinulas' k raspolozhennoj v 7 km stanice Pervomajskoj,
zahvatila blok-post Novosibirskogo OMONa na v'ezde v stanicu,
dobavila k zalozhnikam 38 bojcov i okopalas' v chistom pole.
Vokrug nachali stjagivat'sja tanki i drugie vojska.
Ves' segodnjashnij den' shli peregovory, itogom kotoryh stalo
soglashenie, chto boevikov propustjat v Chechnju, a oni osvobodjat
zalozhnikov. Po rossijskoj versii, vseh i srazu, po raduevskoj
- srazu tol'ko zhenschin i detej. Iz-za etogo nesovpadenija
okonchatel'nogo reshenija ne bylo dostignuto. Boeviki zanjali vse
selo i pereveli zalozhnikov v shkolu i mechet'. V poslednij
moment postupili soobschenija, chto Raduev udovletvoritsja
pis'mennymi garantijami i kakim-to minimumom zalozhnikov, a
Rossija snjala zapret na proezd kolonny kruzhnym putem cherez
Hasav'jurt. Tut nastupila noch'. Budem zhdat', chto prineset
utro, i nadejat'sja.
Ob ocenkah sobytij. O reakcii v Dagestane ja uzhe govoril.
Vpervye eta akcija vyzvala neodobrenie i v Chechne - dovol'no
massovoe. Osudil terakt prezident Ingushetii. Vosem' drugih
liderov Severnogo Kavkaza vernopoddanicheski prosjat E.
poskoree usmirit' Chechnju.
V Rossii mnogie protivniki vojny - iz naibolee oficioznyh,
vprochem - paralizovany strahom. Predpolagalos' massovoe
otstupnichestvo podpisantov pod pis'mom protesta protiv
prodolzhenija vojny, opublikovannym za paru dnej do sobytij.
Odnako, po slovam avtora i koordinatora kampanii Julija Kima,
naskol'ko emu izvestno, nikto iz 100 podpisantov ne snjal
podpis' i ne izmenil svoej pozicii. Po nyneshnim vremenam eto
uzhe muzhestvo, hotja i ne takoe _poka_, kak v 68-m. Bolee togo,
analogichnoe pis'mo podpisali uzhe vchera 66 intelligentov iz
Pitera, sredi nih akad. D.Lihachev.
Lidery partij uklonjajutsja ot vystuplenij na etu temu, vtorye
lica obychno vystupajut s pozicij "vojny do pobednogo konca".
Iskljuchenie poka sostavil Javlinskij, vystupivshij s obychnym po
soderzhaniju antimilitaristskim zajavleniem, no dovol'no
vzvinchennym (vidimo, boitsja). V zajavlenii on ne preminul
ukazat', chto terakt v Kizljare sootvetstvuet sokrovennym celjam
Kremlja. Chto, verojatno, verno, no ne daet nikakogo kljucha k
tajne - svjazany li eti fakty esche i prichinno.
Alik
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TRAGEDIJa KIZLJaRA - NEKOTORYE DETALI.
9/01/1996
Verojatno, kogda vy budete chitat' etot tekst, uzhe sovershitsja krovavaja
razvjazka sobytij v dagestanskom gorode Kizljare, nachavshihsja v noch' na
9/01 zahvatom, tochno po Budennovskomu scenariju, bol'nicy i
prilegajuschih zdanij gruppoj chechenskogo komandira Salmana Radueva.
Hotja proishodjat peregovory s uchastiem starejshin Kizljara, oficial'nye
sredstva informacii ne skryvajut, chto specnazu otdan prikaz o polnom
unichtozhenii boevikov, uderzhivajuschih 3000 zalozhnikov, nevziraja na
vozmozhnye poteri.
Kizljar nahoditsja v del'te Tereka, primerno na 70 km na sever ot
rajonov, v kotoryh dejstvuet chechenskoe Soprotivlenie. Otrjad Radueva
(okolo 600 bojcov) proehal ne tol'ko cherez milicejskie posty
(opjat'-taki pri pomoschi pred'javlenija universal'nyh propuskov zelenogo
cveta), no i cherez dva posta pogranvojsk. Vmeste s tem, neskol'ko
zagrazhdenij na shosse bylo razgromleno, ih zaschitniki soobschili o
proishodjaschem dal'she - no eto pochemu-to ne vozymelo effekta. V
Kizljare dislocirovany chasti pogranvojsk i tylovye podrazdelenija
gruppirovki v Chechne, v tom chisle voennyj aerodrom. Vse eti sily ne
tol'ko ne dali ser'eznogo otpora, no i okazalis' chastichno
blokirovany. Ves' den' v gorode shli tjazhelye boi.
"Strannosti"
Po-vidimomu, na etot raz imelis' dovol'no tochnye razveddannye -
prichem s ukazaniem imenno na Kizljar, i dovol'no tochnoj lokalizaciej
vremeni napadenija. Segodnja ob etom ob'javila administracija "glavy
chechenskoj respubliki" Zavgaeva, i voennye istochniki v Moskve eto
podtverzhdajut. Odnako nikakih mer prinjato ne bylo, nevziraja dazhe na
arest organami neskol'kih oficerov-pogranichnikov v etom rajone pri
dostavke dudaevcam krupnoj partii oruzhija neskol'ko dnej nazad.
Mesto napadenija. Otnoshenie dagestancev k Chechne - slozhnoe, hrupkaja
simpatija ili terpimost' mogut legko smenit'sja vrazhdoj (avarskie i
lakskie nacionalisticheskie dvizhenija uzhe prizyvajut k vozmezdiju). S
tochki zrenija davlenija na russkoe obschestvennoe mnenie - tem bolee.
Russkij obyvatel' ne razlichaet chechencev i dagestancev, i shoka,
podobnogo budennovskomu, ne budet (pravda, sredi zalozhnikov vse zhe
mnogo russkih).
Salman Raduev - maloizvesten kak komandir (on - prefekt Gudermesa,
no ne iz-za delovyh kachestv - on svojstvennik Dudaeva). Ego otrjad ne
podchinjaetsja Aslanu Mashadovu. On dovol'no molod (let 28), ne slishkom
umen, ne imeet boevogo opyta - v obschem, ne mozhet byt' postavlen
rjadom s Shamilem Basaevym (kak k nemu ni otnosit'sja - krupnejshim
voenachal'nikom). Tem bolee neponjatno, kak emu udalos' prorvat'sja v
Kizljar.
Otkliki i perspektivy
Povodom dlja vyjavlenija pozicij moskovskih partij i klik stalo ne samo
sobytie, a iduschaja iz Kremlja volna pokaznoj reshimosti. Liberaly
(gajdarovcy) solidarizirovalis' s "reshitel'nym kursom" vlastej,
mjagko napomniv o neodobrenii samoj vojny (kotoraja, vprochem, "ne
izvinjaet prestupnyh dejstvij" boevikov). Kommunisty, pohozhe,
sobirajutsja zanjat' poziciju "my zhe preduprezhdali", ozhidaja, chto
prezident v ljubom sluchae proigraet - krovavaja operacija budet
vygljadet' kak minimum uzhasno, a skorej vsego i neprofessional'no.
Po-vidimomu, Kizljar - konec (ili gromadnaja pauza) v politicheskoj
biografii Chernomyrdina. Krome togo, eto povod peresherstit' silovye
struktury. Rezko vozrastaet rol' koordinatora operacii, shefa KGB
Barsukova - cheloveka iz blizhajshego okruzhenija E. Pri etom nejasno,
sdelana li rezhisserami dramy stavka na ocherednuju popytku perelomit'
nastroenija v Rossii demonstrativnym projavleniem sily i spasti
kar'eru E. ili u nih svoi, nezavisimye ot nego plany. Vo vsjakom
sluchae, ochevidnyj rezul'tat kizljarskoj tragedii - rasshirenie
konflikta i prevraschenie Kavkaza v zonu "vojny vseh protiv vseh", a
zainteresovannye v etom est' i v Kremle, i v chechenskih gorah.
Kstati, sredi voennyh ekspertov v Rossii proishodit sejchas
zamechatel'noe "donashivanie kogda-to modnyh v Parizhe shljapok". V to
vremja kak oni pochti horom prizyvajut "nakonec-to perenjat' reshitel'nuju
poziciju zapadnyh pravitel'stv po otnosheniju k terroristam", pervaja
reakcija izrail'skih i amerikanskih ekspertov po terroru, naskol'ko ja
znaju, byla "bez politicheskih ustupok policejskie mery mogut byt'
lish' lokal'no uspeshnymi, okonchatel'nyj uspeh daet politicheskij
kompromiss". Eksperty zhe politicheskie (nashi) shodjatsja na tom, chto
tragedija - chast' predvybornoj kampanii E., chto Chernomyrdin utoplen
nadezhno, no chto E. tozhe mozhet ne vyigrat'. Dazhe vpolne
"respektabel'nye" proiznosjat chto-to vrode "knopka, vyzvavshaja vzryv,
pohozhe, nahoditsja v Kremle".
Vash Alik
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Dear IR-Netters,
I am looking for somebody who is going FROM Moscow TO New York or Boston
shortly and can do me a favor and bring with him/her a small package with a
Russian medicine for my friend's father-in-law (do not lough: some old
people cannot get used to new for them miraculous American medications and
still need good old familiar Russian ones...).
Please reply directly to me.
Thank you,
Valery Fradkov
fradkv@rpi.edu
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Hello everyone,
Here is my problem:
I am looking for my friend I lost touch with about 4 years ago. Her
name is Tatiana Vol'pina (I am not sure in English spelling). She was my
classmate and has to be 24 years old now. She and
her family (father David, mather Yevgenia and younger sister Lubov')
left Moscow in November 1991 (as far as I remember). They went to
David's brother in New York. Unfortunately, I did not know their further
plans.
If you know anything about this family or you know the way how to find
a person in America, please, reply me by phone or e-mail: I will be VERY,
VERY appreciative.
My home phone number: (818)792-3733.
Thank you,
-Yulya
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* Julia S. Goreva
* Graduate Student
* Division of Geological and Planetary Sciences
* California Institute of Technology
* (818)395-6135 (o)
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Vlasti otkazalis' prinjat' zalozhnikov
17/01/1996
Boj v Pervomajske prodolzhaetsja. Segodnja voennye vlasti
oficial'no ob'javili, chto snimajut s povestki dnja vopros o
vyzhivanii zalozhnikov - vojskam prikazano ne prinimat' bol'she
etot faktor v raschet. V opravdanie oni soslalis' na "dannye
radioperehvatov" (opjat'!), soglasno kotorym, po odnoj versii,
zalozhniki uzhe pogibli, a po drugoj, Raduev otdal prikaz ih
rasstreljat'. Mezhdu tem chechency peredajut po radio iz
Pervomajskogo obraschenija zalozhnikov s pros'bami spasti ih
zhizni. V nastojaschee vremja oprovergnuty vse ranee delavshiesja
zajavlenija FSK "po dannym radioperehvatov" o rasstrele
zalozhnikov i starejshin pered nachalom shturma (kak ja i
predpolagal).
Po zajavleniju dudaevskogo ministra informacii Udugova,
segodnja dnem Raduev obratilsja po radio k rossijskim vlastjam s
predlozheniem OSVOBODIT' BEZ VSJaKIH USLOVIJ ZALOZhNIKOV -
grazhdanskih lic, dlja chego prekratit' ogon' na vremja,
neobhodimoe dlja ih vyhoda s belym flagom. Eto predlozhenie
bylo otvergnuto "v neprilichnoj forme". Vsego, po uverenijam
rossijskih vlastej, spaseno 21 (po drugoj versii 26)
zalozhnikov iz 150. Vse oni izolirovany ot vneshnego mira,
chtoby predotvratit' "effekt Budennovska", kogda rasskazy
zalozhnikov ob obraschenii s nimi so storony terroristov i
"spasatelej" sygrali plohuju propagandnuju rol'. Dlja davlenija
na nih ispol'zujut massovoe vydvizhenie obvinenij v perehode na
storonu vraga i dobrovol'noj sdache v plen (dlja
voennosluzhaschih).
Stoit otmetit', chto operacija v Pervomajskoj NIKOGDA ne nosila
haraktera popytki osvobozhdenija zalozhnikov, no tol'ko segodnja
eto priznano oficial'no. Nado skazat', chto v Dagestane
proizoshla rezkaja smena nastroenij, i nenavist' k Dudaevu i
chechencam smenilas' na jarost' protiv Rossii. Pri etom vysshie
dolzhnostnye lica Dagestana (ministr nacional'nostej) otkryto
obvinili rossijskie vlasti v predatel'stve zalozhnikov i
Dagestana. Im podtverzhdeno napadenie federalov na kolonnu s
zalozhnikami, v kotoroj on sostojal, u Shelkovskogo mosta (7 km
ot Pervomajskogo).
Inoj harakter imeet evoljucija obschestvennogo mnenija v
sobstvenno Rossii. Dlja massovoj mental'nosti russkih
neharakterno sochuvstvie zalozhnikam (etnicheski blizkim k
chechencam avarcam), a nachalo operacii v ponedel'nik utrom bylo
vosprinjato kak znak probuzhdenija "derzhavy" ot letargii (hotja
vsem bylo ochevidno, chto zalozhniki, skoree vsego, ee ne
perezhivut). Telefonnyj ekspress-opros v Moskve dal dnem v
ponedel'nik podderzhku operacii v proporcii 44 : 36. Na
izmenenie ocenki situacii etoj chast'ju naselenija povlijaet,
verojatno, ne gibel' mirnyh ljudej i plennyh, a pozornoe s
voennoj tochki zrenija provedenie operacii. Chut' bolee 100
chechencev iz raznosherstnogo otrjada troe sutok otbivajut ataki
tysjach soldat, vooruzhennyh artilleriej (v tom chisle
"Gradami"), desjatkom vertoletov, bronetehnikoj, soldat iz
superelitnyh vojsk - kak armii, tak i specnazov "Al'fa" i
"Vitjaz'". Ochevidnaja nelepost' pobednyh reljacij (selo bylo
"pochti polnost'ju zanjato" uzhe vecherom v ponedel'nik, i potom
ego "zanimali" snova i snova) zastavljaet bolee doverjat'
chechenskim istochnikam i po voprosu o poterjah - a oni govorjat o
bolee chem 200 ubityh s rossijskoj storony. Stav na pozicii
poklonnikov "sily i tverdosti", RAVNO OTVLEKAJaS' ot
amoral'noj i prestupnoj suti kak chechenskogo rejda na
bol'nicu, tak i russkogo rasstrela zalozhnikov, my vidim v
Pervomajskom ocherednoe pozornoe voennoe porazhenie el'cinskoj
Rossii.
Vse eto tem bolee primechatel'no, chto akcija javno byla
predprinjata v kachestve udarnogo nachala predvybornoj kampanii
BNE. Nedarom imenno v ee razgar rasporjazheniem E. byl
obrazovan Shtab prezidentskoj predvybornoj kampanii. I snachala
eto bylo sdelano dazhe gramotno. El'cin spustil s cepi voennyh
i "publicistov", a sam vystupil oplotom mira i spasenija
zalozhnikov. V to zhe vremja davalos' ponjat' (dazhe v uscherb
shansam na spasenie zalozhnikov), chto srazu posle osvobozhdenija
ljudej Radueva unichtozhat, a Chechnju podvergnut kollektivnomu
vozmezdiju. Vse eto moglo srabotat', no vmesto etogo plana
(kotoryj mozhno bylo osuschestvit' dazhe posle vzryva Shelkovskogo
mosta) byl predprinjat shturm. Moja versija - u vlastej NA SAMOM
DELE NET nikakih "antiterroristicheskih formirovanij", i oni
byli uvereny, chto terroristy uskol'znut. No E. sovershil esche
odnu, sovsem strannuju oshibku. V ponedel'nik, vystupaja (okolo
15 chasov dnja) po TV, on zajavil, chto operacija okonchitsja uzhe
segodnja, chto ona "velikolepno podgotovlena", posle chego,
okonchatel'no vpav v detstvo, vodil rukami, pokazyvaja, kak
snajpery vodjat dulom vsled chechencam ("38, ponimaesh', odnih
snajperov tam"), i kak zigzagami razbegajutsja vrassypnuju
zalozhniki ot terroristov pod prikrytiem dymovoj zavesy. Pri
etom, sudja po vsemu, p'jan ne byl. Ja vizhu tol'ko odno
ob'jasnenie - u nas demokratija, i chekisty POTChUJuT PREZIDENTA
TOJ ZhE PROPAGANDOJ, chto i naselenie. A on ej verit. Vokrug
etogo cheloveka, pohozhe, nam cherez polgoda predlozhat
splotit'sja...
Propaganda, kstati - trevozhnyj simptom. Zhurnalisty vorchat na
blokadu i izoljaciju, no ispravno gonjat v efir razrabotki COS
FSK, pochti nikogda ne upominaja, chto rech' idet o dannyh, ne
proverennyh nezavisimo. Soglasie telezhurnalistov na cenzuru
pri pokaze zalozhnikov, o chem ja pisal v proshlom pis'me - v tom
chisle zhurnalistov NTV, pritom na cenzuru ChISTO POLITIChESKUJu,
bez vsjakih soobrazhenij bezopasnosti - vpechatljaet i pugaet.
Vprochem, kogda rech' idet ne o Pervomajske, cenzura i
tendencioznost' ne tak sil'ny. Narjadu s soobschenijami o novyh
[pro]chechenskih teraktah (v Groznom i v Turcii) nashi gazety
publikujut fotografii i soobschenija o novyh naletah rossijskoj
aviacii na naselennye punkty Chechni, v tom chisle o bombezhke
Groznogo (!).
A v obschem, vybory prezidenta - delo ser'eznoe, eto vam ne
vojna kakaja-to.
Vash Alik
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"Razgrom"
19/01/1996
Segodnja g-n E, esche ne znaja ob uspeshnom osvobozhdenii turkami
vseh zalozhnikov s paroma "Avrazija", pozhuril tureckie vlasti
za neaktivnost' i skazal, chto sily Chernomorskogo flota
nagotove (vidimo, nanosit' po paromu aviacionnye i
artillerijskie udary). On takzhe posetoval na nedostatok v
gruppirovke flota podvodnyh lodok dlja etoj operacii.
Zagadka: kto poluchitsja, esli otnjat' u Zhirinovskogo ostroumie
i blesk, a ostavit' tol'ko tupost' i brutal'nost'?
Korrespondent "Izvestij" Valerij Jakov, neskol'ko dnej
chislivshijsja propavshim, kak okazalos', probralsja v stanicu i
vyshel ottuda pered samym shturmom. On dostavil interesnye
videomaterialy i vnov' podtverdil smehotvornost' zajavlenij E.
o dudaevskoj baze v Pervomajskoj. Takzhe zalozhnik Arkadij
Dubinenko iz Kizljarskoj bol'nicy oproverg kakie-libo
rasstrely zalozhnikov i podtverdil, chto prorvavshijsja otrjad
Radueva uvel s soboj pochti vseh milicionerov i neskol'ko
desjatkov drugih muzhchin, i to, chto vecherom v sredu Raduev
pytalsja dobit'sja vyhoda iz sela osvobozhdennyh im zalozhnikov.
Sejchas selo plotno zakryto dlja zhurnalistov, v nem "navodjat
porjadok" chekisty. Ob'javleno, chto ubito 150 boevikov i ni
odnogo zalozhnika, chto absoljutno nepravdopodobno. Kakim
obrazom vlasti sobirajutsja obosnovyvat' etu lozh', vidno iz
putanogo zajavlenija E, chto "my sperva dumali, ChTO TAM BOL'ShE
ZALOZhNIKOV, no tam okazalis' raby terroristov, chislom okolo
60, vot ih okazalos' i men'she". Takim obrazom, gotovitsja
pochva dlja ob'javlenija vseh trupov, najdennyh v sele, trupami
terroristov, nezavisimo ot rezul'tatov opoznanija (ih men'she
150, no est' trupy v plavnjah i na pole mezhdu selom i
plavnjami, gde shel boj v noch' na chetverg). Baza podgotovlena
takzhe neodnokratnymi zajavlenijami, chto sredi terroristov
"dovol'no mnogo zhenschin" (verojatno, skazhut, chto i detej).
Po zajavleniju Aslana Mashadova, on ne planiroval i ne odobrjal
operaciju v Kizljare, no prinjal na sebja komandovanie operaciej
po proryvu blokady Pervomajskoj izvne. Po ego slovam, vo
vneshnem (osnovnom - na soedinenie i otvlekajuschih udarah)
uchastvovalo 400 bojcov. "Operacija po deblokade proshla
uspeshno, otrjad Radueva s bol'shoj gruppoj zalozhnikov nahoditsja
sejchas v gorah". Po ego slovam, v otrjade Radueva bylo 250
bojcov, zalozhnikov bylo 200. Do nochi na chetverg pogiblo 17
chechencev i 15 zalozhnikov, dal'nejshie poteri esche ne
ustanovleny. On dobavil, chto prikaz na proryv byl dan tol'ko
posle togo, kak vlasti ob'javili, chto "zalozhnikov bol'she net v
zhivyh" (eto bylo v sredu), i stalo jasno, chto selo smetut
shkval'nym ognem.
Ne doverjaja osobenno ego ocenke poter' (na kotoroj on i ne
nastaivaet), ja sklonen doverjat' privodimym im cifram
nachal'noj chislennosti, i oni prolivajut svet na to, chto na
samom dele proizoshlo v Pervomajskoj. Kogda i esli El'cin
budet pisat' memuary, ja posovetuju emu nazvat' ih - "Razgrom".
Vash Alik
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Forwarded message #1
Date: Thu Jan 18, 1996 7:35 pm EST
From: The Union of Councils for Soviet Jews / MCI ID: 420-1773
ACTION ALERT
To: Concerned Parties
Fr: Pamela Cohen, UCSJ National President; Micah Naftalin, UCSJ National Director
Dt: January 17, 1996
Re: NEO-NAZIS BESIEGE JEWISH MEETING IN OREL, RUSSIA:
MAYOR, MILITIA DENY THREATS TO JEWS
Jewish activists from the city of Orel in Central Russia, and the Russian
newspaper "Express Chronicle," have reported that the anti-Semitic paramilitary
group Russian National Unity (RNU) attempted to disrupt a meeting of Jewish
leaders, and that the local police officials refused to intervene on behalf of the
Jewish community. Below you will find an urgent request for action from the
Orel Jewish activists, and background information on the incident.
ACTION REQUESTED
Activists in Orel urgently request that letters protesting the absence of official
condemnation be sent to the mayor of Orel. They urge also that copies of letters
be sent to the UCSJ to be forwarded to them in Orel. Without such confirmation,
the mayor will deny having received any protests.
Please send your letter to: Please send your copy to:
(postage 60 cents) Union of Councils
The Honorable A.G. Kislakov 1819 H St., NW, Suite 230
Mayor of Orel Washington, DC 20006
Ul. Proletarskaya Gora d.1 (202) 775-9770; (202) 775-9776 fax
Orel, Russia 302000 email: 4201773@mcimail.com
BACKGROUND
Members of the anti-semitic, right-wing paramilitary group, "Russian National
Unity" (RNU) tried to disrupt a meeting between the Jewish community of Orel,
Russia and a representative of the Jewish Agency of Israel (Sochnut), according
to Express-Chronicle and confirmed by activists in Orel. A notice of the January
14th meeting appeared in Orel's regional newspaper.
About 20 supporters of Alexander Barkashov, the national leader of the far-right
RNU, in military uniforms with armbands and banners bearing red swastikas,
gathered across from the Philharmonic hall where the Sochnut meeting was being
held. They sold copies of their Moscow-published paper, "Russian Order" and
called out "Death to Jews."
Leonid Volovik, the head of the Jewish Community, called the militia who upon
arrival said the "did not see any disruption of the public order." When asked
whether the call to kill Jews is not a violation of the public order, they denied
hearing it.
At a press briefing on the following day, Alexei Kondratkenko of the Department
of Press Service of the City Government said they knew nothing of the event.
Although the local state television station did not broadcast the demonstration
itself, it covered a report of the press briefing.
About 3000 Jews comprise the Jewish community in Orel. Orel activist Semen
Livshits has charged previously that the community has experienced anti-semitism
in its attempts to regain the synagogue building confiscated during the Soviet
era.
Dmitrii Fattakhov Action Alert:
Update: We have received word that the health of Dmitrii Fattakhov (the young
Uzbek Jew falsely imprisoned for murder) is deteriorating rapidly. UCSJ is
requesting urgent phone calls to Uzbek officials urging that they use their
offices to release Dmitrii to Israel for treatment.
If you are unfamiliar with this case and require information, please contact the
Union of Councils for Soviet Jews by e-mail. 4201773@mcimail.com
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"Chizhika s'el"
Hi folks! 17/01/1995
Vlasti ob'javili, chto operacija po unichtozheniju terroristov v
Pervomajskoj zavershena. V vechernih sumerkah esche slyshny pulemetnye
ocheredi v storone pojmennogo lesa (v neskol'kih sotnjah metrov ot
okolicy), no v sele uzhe pobyvali neskol'ko doverennyh zhurnalistov.
Teleprodukcija, kotoruju im bylo pozvoleno pustit' v efir,
ischisljaetsja primerno 15 sekundami - jamy s trupami.
ZALOZhNIKI: vlasti oficial'no ob'javili, chto:
"okolo 80-90 (TAK!!!) zalozhnikov osvobozhdeny za eti 4 dnja"
"sud'ba 18 neizvestna, oni, vidimo, pogibli i zaryty dudaevcami -
ni odnogo trupa ne obnaruzheno",
"takim obrazom, iz 100 zalozhnikov spaseno podavljajuschee
bol'shinstvo".
Kak izvestno, iz Kizljara bylo vyvezeno okolo 130 zalozhnikov, na
blokpostu Novosibirskogo OMONa v Pervomajskoj bylo zahvacheno 36, v
sele na moment nachala ego blokady ostavalos' neskol'ko desjatkov
zhitelej. Arifmetika ne shoditsja. Chto kasaetsja neopredelennogo
chisla "osvobozhdennyh", to dostoverno izvestno tol'ko, chto na
fil'tropunkte (konclagere) soderzhitsja 35 zalozhnikov i dva plennyh
chechenca, esche neskol'ko ( no sovsem nemnogo) zalozhnikov osvobozhdeny
i dal'she s nimi "rabotaet" prokuratura i FSB Kizljara. Rabota
sostoit v tom, chto ih "ubezhdajut" davat' presse razrabotannye
vlastjami versii sobytij, ugrozhaja vozbuzhdeniem ugolovnogo dela za
"posobnichestvo vragu". Tem ne menee, NI ODIN ASPEKT OFICIAL'NOJ
VERSII sobytij ni odnim zalozhnikom ne podtverzhden. Oni otricajut, v
chastnosti, soobschenija o rasstrele zalozhnikov. A soobschenie FSB,
citirovannoe i E, o rasstrele dagestanskih starejshin, v zajavlenii
dagestanskogo pravitel'stva nazvano "provokacionnym".
My podhodim k samomu sensacionnomu aspektu etoj grjaznoj istorii:
provalilas' ne tol'ko operacija po osvobozhdeniju zalozhnikov (a ona i
ne planirovalas'), no i operacija po unichtozheniju boevikov. Noch'ju i
rano utrom znachitel'naja chast' otrjada Radueva, v tom chisle,
vozmozhno, i sam etot demonicheskij personazh, prorvali "trojnoe
kol'co okruzhenija" v raznyh mestah i s boem vyrvalis' k Tereku.
Pereplyv Terek na zagotovlennyh soplemennikami lodkah, oni
skrylis', uvedja s soboj chast' zalozhnikov - ne menee 5, mozhet byt',
do 29 OMONovcev. Krome togo, odnoj iz grupp byli uvedeny nekotorye
zalozhniki - grazhdanskie muzhchiny (kak tjaglovaja sila) i otpuscheny na
dagestanskom beregu. Ot nih (tak kak nekotorym iz nih udalos'
uvidet'sja s oficioznymi zhurnalistami do popadanija v konclager') my
znaem o hode proryva etoj gruppy. Vse ostal'nye zalozhniki byli
osvobozhdeny i samostojatel'no iskali spasenija ot zhestokogo artognja
v ostavlennyh chechencami bunkere i okopah.
El'cin (ja, kazhetsja, esche polgoda dolzhen dobavljat' "g-n Prezident?")
zajavil, chto "neozhidannaja dlja nas prodolzhitel'nost' tol'ko chto
UDAChNO (tak!) zakonchennoj operacii svjazana s tem, chto tam okazalsja
opornyj punkt Dudaeva - celyj podzemnyj gorod, katakomby, tunneli,
bunkera, ubezhischa". Vysheupomjanutye oficioznye zhurnalisty,
dopuschennye segodnja vlastjami v Pervomajskuju, ne sderzhali ulybki,
kogda ih poprosili otkommentirovat' eti slova. "Tam est' bunker
blokposta, a krome etogo - obychnaja sistema transhej, otrytyh
lopatoj v lessovom grunte za nedelju", - byl otvet.
Pervaja reakcija v Dagestane, na Kavkaze i v armii - beshenstvo. V
Dagestane - jarost' porovnu na chechencev i Moskvu, v armii - na
chechencev i El'cina. Esli s tochki zrenija unichtozhenija Chechni El'cin
udachno prodolzhil iniciativu Radueva po pod'emu obschego urovnja
ozverenija, to ego sobstvennye plany, pohozhe, ne vygoreli. Dazhe
esli predpolozhit', chto russkij narod teper' bol'she vsego ljubit
zlodeev (a imenno eto g-n E. polozhil v osnovu svoej prezidentskoj
kampanii), to on ljubit zlodeev UDAChLIVYH. A nash gradonachal'nik
ocherednoj raz "chizhika s'el".
Iz-za tragicheskoj obstanovki ja pozvolju sebe tol'ko nebol'shoj
politicheskij kommentarij. Naskol'ko ja ponimaju, plan E. sostoit v
tom, chtoby maksimal'no oslabljat' vse vozmozhnye "zapadnicheskie",
"demokraticheskie" ili "pragmaticheskie" sily. Pri etom usilenie i
konsolidacija kommunisticheskogo ili nacionalisticheskogo lagerja hotja
i ne privetstvuetsja, no schitaetsja neizbezhnym zlom. Naprimer,
podogrevanie voennoj i rasistskoj isterii vokrug Kavkaza podryvaet
pozicii "demokratov" (javlincev i ostatkov gajdarovcev), a takzhe
diskreditiruet arhitektorov prezhnej razrjadki naprjazhennosti s
Chechnej (Chernomyrdina i Vol'skogo). Takim obrazom, E. hochet
obespechit', chtoby v pervom ture on odin predstavljal
"antikommunisticheskuju Rossiju". Togda vo vtoroj tur s ogromnym
perevesom projdet (uslovnyj) Zjuganov i, kak predpolagaetsja, E.
Eto, konechno, esli udastsja reshit' problemu Lebedja, no
predpolagaetsja, chto ego utihomirjat, kak Javlinskogo i Chernomyrdina.
Zhirinovskij problemy ne predstavljaet - on budet rabotat' pod
kontrolem, otnimat' golosa u Zjuganova (chtoby on ne pobedil srazu v
pervom ture), a esli vdrug okazhetsja, chto za nego sobirajutsja
golosovat' bol'she, chem za E, snimet kandidaturu.
Vo vtorom ture za E. dolzhny golosovat' vse, kto boitsja vozvrata k
kommunizmu, a esli etogo vse zhe budet nedostatochno, rezul'taty
vyborov budut annulirovany pri blagosklonnom, kak predpolagaetsja,
otnoshenii Zapada. Otsjuda i beretsja eta destruktivnaja taktika E. v
poslednie mesjacy do 16 ijunja - on mozhet ostat'sja u vlasti tol'ko na
ruinah Rossii, v malo-mal'ski spokojnoj obstanovke emu nichego ne
svetit. Vprochem, ja dumaju i nadejus', chto vse ravno ne svetit.
Vash Alik
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Reuter
Sunday January 21 10:12 AM EST
Chechen Rebels Mock Moscow Over Village Attack
MOSCOW (Reuter) - A Chechen rebel who
escaped a four-day bombardment by Russian
forces of the village of Pervomaiskoye ridiculed
Moscow from his base in Chechnya as stunned
villagers pondered the wreckage of their homes.
Russian officials defended their full-scale
military action against the Chechen rebels,
pledging on Saturday to be just as ruthless in
dealing with any repeated hostage seizure.
But a report from one of the rebels at large in
Chechnya that he and many of his fellows had
got out of Pervomiaskoye unscathed undermined
the tough message coming from Moscow.
``Terrorism would inevitably escalate in the north
Caucasus if the rebel action were not decisively
stopped,'' Federal Security Service chief Mikhail
Barsukov told a news conference.
``We will ruthlessly put down any such rebel
action,'' added Interior Minister Anatoly Kulikov.
Seven corpses, including those of at least two of
the hostages seized by the rebels, lay in the
frozen, muddy streets of Pervomaiskoye on
Saturday, testifying to the ruthlessness of the
Russian assault.
Hungry animals snuffled among the wreckage
while villagers shocked by the ruins of their 300
houses salvaged what they could, silently
carrying out heaps of belongings in blankets.
Moscow, which called its attack on the village
``an operation to free the hostages,'' said most of
them got out alive.
But Chechen rebel commander Shamil Basayev
told Reuters that two were killed by a Russian
rocket and nine died in a hail of Russian bullets as
they tried to leave the village under a white flag.
Maksud Ingulbayev, one of the Chechens who
had been in Pervomaiskoye, said all the leaders
of the ``Lone Wolf'' band had escaped and taken
more than 20 hostages with them.
Ingulbayev gave a scathing account of the
Russian operation to overcome him and his
fellow rebels, who seized weapons and hostages
in the southern Russian republic of Dagestan and
were on their way back to Chechnya when they
were surrounded.
``There was no coordination between aviation,
artillery and other forces,'' he said.
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Subject: INFO-RUSS: Kizl'ar-Pervomajskaja - predvaritel'nye itogi
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KIZLJaR - PERVOMAJSKAJa: PREDVARITEL'NYE ITOGI
Hi folks! 23/01/1996
Zagolovok etogo pis'ma zvuchit "naukoobrazno", no na samom dele eto -
konglomerat vpechatlenij, esche tolkom ne "upakovavshihsja". Odnako,
koe-chto, po-moemu, uzhe mozhno pochuvstvovat'.
Press-konferencija v Novogroznenskom
Segodnja pri skoplenii bol'shogo chisla zhurnalistov v sele
Novogroznenskom (kak ja ponimaju, Gudermesskogo rajona - na moej
pjatikilometrovke ego net; sudja po kadram TV, eto tipichnoe
ravninno-predgornoe selenie) sostojalas' press-konferencija liderov
Chechni-Ichkerii. K sozhaleniju, tol'ko press-konferencija, a ne namechennoe
na segodnja osvobozhdenie zalozhnikov - grazhdanskih lic.
Predpolozhitel'no, ih osvobodjat zavtra (tochnee, kak utverzhdali
chechency, dostavjat v Novogroznenskoe i peresadjat v avtobusy
Dagestanskogo pravitel'stva - zhelajuschie uehat' svoim hodom vol'ny
delat' eto uzhe segodnja, no zhelajuschih, po ponjatnym prichinam, net).
Vsego Raduevym uvedeno v Chechnju 86 zalozhnikov i plennyh, oni nahodjatsja
v neskol'kih gornyh selah kilometrah v 20. Neskol'ko desjatkov
zalozhnikov takzhe vyshli cherez proryv okruzhenija, no na beregu Tereka
otkazalis' perepravljat'sja, sochtja, chto ih zhizn' uzhe ne podvergaetsja
opasnosti ot federal'nyh vojsk. Vidimo, imenno oni i sostavili
raznicu mezhdu 26 zalozhnikami, "osvobozhdennymi" federalami na moment
ob'javlenija "bol'she nikogo net v zhivyh", i okonchatel'noj cifroj 82. Ja
vzjal v kavychki slovo "osvobozhdennymi", potomu chto bol'shaja chast' iz
etih 26 byli libo otpuscheny do nachala shturma, libo
otkomandirovany na peregovory (ob odnoj takoj istorii - nizhe).
Na press-konferencii vystupili troe OMONovcev-plennyh i troe
zalozhnikov iz Kizljara. Oni bolee ili menee podtverdili kartinu boja,
sostavlennuju po dannym chechenskoj storony. Vse oni znajut, chto po
vozvraschenii ih zhdet rassledovanie ih povedenija i obvinenija v
posobnichestve (ryli okopy - kotorye TOL'KO I SPASLI IM ZhIZN', vo
vremja proryva okruzhenija nesli nosilki s ranenymi chechencami), no s
bezgranichnym optimizmom ubezhdeny, chto, tak skazat', "Rodina vse
prostit". Oj li?
Raduev - chechenskij Grachev
V kuluarah glavnye chechenskie komandiry rezko otzyvalis' o "dudaevskom
zjate". Shamil' Basaev skazal, chto pohod na Kizljar byl pozornym
balaganom, chto esli kto-to hochet stat' "vtorym Basaevym", on ustupit
etu chest' za tak. Po ego slovam, Raduev staraetsja vydvinut'sja i
zavoevat' uvazhenie zemljakov, kotorye uporno ne hotjat schitat' ego
geroem i komandirom, a schitajut "zjatem". V Kizljarskuju avantjuru on
povel mnozhestvo molodyh bojcov, pochti detej, bez vsjakoj voennoj
podgotovki. Chtoby izbezhat' nemedlennogo porazhenija otrjada, k nemu v
kachestve komandira-nastavnika byl prisoedinen opytnejshij
voenachal'nik, komandujuschij Jugo-Vostochnym napravleniem Hungar-Pasha
Isratilov. Kstati, Kulikov gordo soobschil v subbotu, chto "hotja trup
Radueva ne najden, no zato v nochnom boju v sredu ubit H-P. Isratilov,
i ego trup najden v Pervomajskoj". Vse agentstva novostej peredali eto
soobschenie, no segodnja Isratilov, s zabintovannoj rukoj i plechom,
sidel v prezidiume sobranija rjadom s Mashadovym. Isratilov polnost'ju
podderzhal Basaevskuju ocenku Radueva i ego avantjury.
Ogromnyj moral'nyj i politicheskij uscherb, prichinennyj Chechne Raduevym,
zastavljaet raznye sily iskat' formulirovki otnoshenija k nemu. Na
press-konferencii Raduev ne sidel za obschim stolom s Mashadovym,
Isratilovym, Udugovym (ministr informacii) i Basaevym, a "zabegal"
otvetit' na neskol'ko voprosov i vyskakival, nervno merjaja shagami
shkol'nyj dvor. Dudaev kolebletsja, chto budet vygodnee - ob'javit' ego
geroem ili prestupnikom, Mashadov istochaet jad i zajavljaet na
press-konferencii "ja imeju k pohodu Radueva otnoshenie tol'ko nachinaja s
momenta, kogda ego blokirovali v Pervomajskoj", ostal'nye komandiry
ironizirujut. S drugoj storony, etot isterichnyj junosha s reducirovannoj
moral'ju i umerennymi sposobnostjami - kak-nikak simvol SAMOGO
POZORNOGO PORAZhENIJa rossijskoj armii. Verojatno, kompromiss budet
sostojat' v tom, chto Raduevu "predlozhat" chto-to tipa shtrafbata.
Chto sluchilos' v Kizljare?
S pervyh chasov stolknovenij v Kizljare soobschalos' - v tom chisle so
ssylkoj na marionetochnoe pravitel'stvo v Groznom - chto rossijskie
specsluzhby ZNALI o nalete na Kizljar, chto uvedomljalis' kak MVD
respubliki, tak i vse neobhodimye moskovskie vlasti. Informacija,
postupivshaja pozdnee iz milicejskih i voennyh istochnikov v Kizljare,
prolivaet svet i na eto. Pohozhe, byla predprinjata (silami FSB)
operacija po dezinformacii Dudaeva. Byla sfabrikovana versija, chto na
voennyj aerodrom Kizljara pribyvajut 8 janvarja 8 transportnyh vertoletov
s gruzom reaktivnyh snarjadov (NURS). Ohrana jakoby - minimal'naja.
Pojavilas' vozmozhnost' otlichit'sja Raduevu, a Dudaevu - podrastit'
sobstvennuju, zavisjaschuju ot nego, a ne ot Mashadova, generaciju polevyh
komandirov. Ohrany ne okazalos' voobsche, a vot vertoletov - dva,
pustyh, bez gruza i gorjuchego. Zato vokrug - 4000 otbornyh soldat,
pojmavshih Radueva v lovushku.
Dal'she nachinaetsja rashozhdenie versij. Raduev zajavljaet, chto emu
ostavili tol'ko koridor k bol'nice - sluchajno ili narochno, i, spasaja
svoju zhizn', on rinulsja tuda. Oficioz (oficery KGB, a takzhe vsjacheskie
"eksperty po terrorizmu", pricheskoj i rozhej pohozhie na banditov),
narochito otkazyvajas' kommentirovat' vysheskazannoe, govorjat, chto
bol'nica, nesomnenno, byla cel'ju Radueva s samogo nachala. On, jakoby,
zanjal ee ran'she (ili chut' pozzhe), chem nachal udar po aerodromu, chto
zahvat zalozhnikov i pred'javlenie ul'timatuma bylo cel'ju bolee vazhnoj,
chem aerodrom i vokzal. Eto mne kazhetsja somnitel'nym - na samom
vysokom urovne rossijskie nachal'niki govorili uzhe s oseni, chto
reshenie, prinjatoe v Budennovske, bylo oshibkoj, i Raduev ne mog etogo
ne znat'. Skoree ja gotov poverit', chto bol'nica zanimalas' imenno kak
bol'nica - mesto, gde est' operacionnye (i dejstvitel'no, tuda
dostavili ranenyh boevikov), sklady lekarstv, mozhet byt', narkotiki
ili spirt. A pri neudachnom povorote Raduev uhvatilsja za solominku. Vo
vsjakom sluchae, s rossijskoj storony pro eto delo izoshlo uzhe stol'ko
lzhi, chto bezopasnee ne verit' ni odnomu ih slovu.
Sud'ba Natashi Alievoj
Kogda dve nedeli sidish' v takom tjaguchem bolote lzhi i krovi, nevol'no
obostrenno vosprinimaesh' ljubuju LIChNUJu dramu, gde vidny ljudi, a ne
"boeviki", "zalozhniki" i "federaly". Rasskaz ob etoj istorii ja
uslyshal po radio ot Aleksandra Evtushenko ("Komsomol'skaja pravda",
"Radio Svoboda") - snachala kak promel'knuvshuju momental'nuju scenku
vojny, a potom - uzhe den' za dnem muchitel'no lovil vse novye
podrobnosti razvitija etoj istorii.
Itak, scenka vojny. Vtornik, 16-e, posle provala pervyh shturmov
Pervomajskoj. Amerikanskij korrespondent videl, kak zatalkivali v
"voronok" gor'ko rydajuschego cheloveka - "osvobozhdennogo zalozhnika" (na
samom dele parlamentera). "U menja tam ostalas' doch'!" - krichal on, no
gebisty zabrosili ego v mashinu, i odin iz nih nastavitel'no skazal:
"Bud' zhe muzhchinoj!"
Sem'ju Rashida Alieva terroristy prignali v bol'nicu v polnom sostave,
- i zhenu, i vseh pjateryh detej. V avtokolonne okazalos' ih uzhe dvoe -
on i pjatnadcatiletnjaja doch' Natasha. Iz Pervomajskoj terroristy poslali
Natashu v sosednee selo za produktami, nameknuv, chto ona mozhet ne
vozvraschat'sja. No ona vernulas' - "kak ja mogu brosit' otca?" A vo
vtornik, posle pervyh shturmov, raduevcy poslali Rashida s belym flagom
- peredat' federalam svoi predlozhenija. Nazad on, kak vy uzhe
prochitali, ne vernulsja. Selo sgorelo dotla v razryvah "Gradov", no
Natashi ne okazalos' ni sredi zhivyh, ni sredi mertvyh. Rashid obmer ot
gorja i styda - on BROSIL DOCh' V EE SMERTNYJ ChAS. Tol'ko kogda stalo
izvestno, chto kto-to ushel na drugoj bereg vmeste s prorvavshimi
okruzhenie boevikami, u nego zabrezzhila nadezhda (hot' generaly Kulikov
i Barsukov i uspokoili obschestvennost' - "verojatno, vse prorvavshiesja
utonuli v Tereke - zhdem vodolazov, budem iskat'"). Mnozhestvo takih,
kak on, s rannego utra den' za dnem stojat u pod'ezda gorodskoj
administracii Kizljara. I vot - novost': Natasha zhiva! Chechency govorjat,
chto dazhe ne ranena! Zavtra ee dolzhny privezti v Novogroznenskoe.
Esche zalozhniki rasskazali, chto v obrechennom sele rabotal televizor, i
v sredu oni uslyshali iz ust generala KGB - "vse zalozhniki mertvy, my
pristupaem k poslednej stadii operacii". Nado prosto POSTAVIT' SEBJa
NA IH MESTO, i ja ne verju, chto mozhno posle etogo ostat'sja takim zhe,
kak i ran'she.
Ostat'sja takim zhe?
Segodnja pokinul vse svoi posty v prezidentskih strukturah Sergej
Kovalev, vchera eto sdelal Gajdar. Gajdar skorogovorkoj upomjanul svoju
"naivnost'", vyrazivshujusja v podderzhke El'cina dazhe posle nachala
vojny. Kovalev podcherknul, chto ne budet podderzhivat' El'cina ni pri
kakih uslovijah, dazhe esli ego protivnikom budet Zjuganov ili
Zhirinovskij. Razitel'nyj kontrast s ego poziciej godichnoj davnosti,
kogda S.A. govoril "ja NADEJuS' (on imel v vidu "bojus'", no ogovorka
pokazatel'naja), chto Zjuganov budet huzhe".
Luchshe pozdno, chem nikogda? Paradoksal'no, no dlja E. eto ochen'
vygodnyj shag, i pritom v udachnyj moment - on vpisyvaetsja v ego
programmu "vo chto by to ni stalo ponravit'sja Partkom Partkomycham". I
tem ne menee - da. Prosto dusha Kovaleva vazhnee teh dolej procenta,
kotorye vyigraet Verhovnyj Glavnokomandujuschij.
Javlinskij sobiraet podpisi pod peticiej ob otstavke pravitel'stva.
Kommunisty morschatsja i davat' ih ne hotjat, potomu chto prazdnujut
uvol'nenie "demokratov" iz pravitel'stva. "Vot i horosho, - skazal
Javlinskij, - davno pora vnesti jasnost', kto est' kto v svjazi s etoj
vojnoj". Da uzh, davno - luchshe by, chtoby do ee nachala - gljadish', i ne
nachalas' by...
Vash Alik
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V Decabre po sleznoj pros'be nekoj Mariny (be683@freenet.Buffalo.EDU),
ja kupil i privez iz Moskvy lekarstvo.
Esli Marine nuzhno eto lekarstvo, to pust' soobshit adres, t.k.
v techenii 20 dnej upomjanytyj e-mail adres vozvrashaet msgs.
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CHECHNIA - SVETLOE BUDUSHEE VSEGO CHELOVECHESTVA?
Itak, Pervomaisko-Kizliarskaia ahineiia sravnitel'no
blagopoluchno zavershilas'.
Srazu zamechy, chto ne ponimaiu isteriki v presse po etomu
povodu. Vlasti deistvovali vpolne bezdarno, no bez osobogo
liudoedstva. Bol'shinstvo zalojnikov ostalis' jivy (eto
prakticheski dostoverno), mestnye jiteli zablagovremenno sbejali,
i, v sushnosti, edinstvennaia ser'eznaia poteria - eto
razdolbannaia vdryzg derevnia. Ne bog vest' chto.
A vot bezdarnost' vlastei, deistvitel'no, perehodit ramki
vozmojnogo.
Naskol'ko mojno poniat', proishodilo sleduiushee: kogda v
Kizliare dogovorilis' banditov otpustit', primerno 250-400
banditov i 100-150 zalojnikov (cifry iz raznyh mass-media)
pogruzilis' v 11 avtobusov i dva Kamaza i poehali. (Avtobusy byli
v osnovnom PAZikami, i sidelo v nih, sudia po TV, chelovek po 30.
To est' vsego ehalo 300-400 dush - v obshem shoditsia.)
Po doroge oni zahvatili blok-post (check-point), a na nem 40
milicionerov zalojnikami, a takje kuchu boepripasov s blok-posta.
Utverjdaetsia, chto proizoshla ocherednaia glupost': na blok-postu
nichego ne znali, i kolonna pod'ehala vplotnuiu, vystaviv v okna
jenshin-zalojnic s belymi flagami, a tam vyskochili bandity i
vziali mentov na mushku.
Ostanovili kolonnu v poslednii moment pered perehodom v
Chechniu, v derevne Pervomaiskoe. Naselenie uspelo smyt'sia v
sosednee selo.
Posle chego vlasti nachali gotovit' ataku, a bandity (silami
zalojnikov) - ryt' okopy. I prodoljalos' et chut' ne NEDELIU! V
rezul'tate k nachalu shturma u banditov byli ochen' prilichnye
ukrepleniia. U nih byli pulemety, granatomety i boepripasov na dve
nedeli strel'by.
Nakonec nachalsia shturm. Uchastvovali: boevye vertolety
(armiia), artilleriia (armiia), i shturmovye gruppy - specnaz
POLICII i KGB (?!).
Posle chisto demonstrativnogo obstrela - vse drujno
utverjdaiut, chto bili iskliuchitel'no po okrainam - policeiskii
specnaz sunulsia vpered i popal pod ogon'. Prishlos' otoiti.
Potom nachalsia bardak: kto-to kuda-to nepreryvno strelial
izo vsego, chto streliaet. Inogda po svoim. Selo, estestvenno,
zagorelos', i v dymu i tumane nichego tolkom vidno ne bylo. Sviazi
mejdu atakuiushimi toje tolkom ne bylo. I tak troe sutok.
Zalojnikov bandity ne rasstrelivali, chto i poniatno: esli uj
nachalsia shturm - nado otbivat'sia, a ne s zalojnikami vozit'sia.
Chast' zalojnikov prosto sbejala v sumatohe.
(Vprochem, ne iskliucheno, chto vsia bestolkovaia strel'ba
byla lish' dlia sozdaniia etoi samoi sumatohi.)
No tak ili inache, v konce koncov banditov ottesnili s
okrain. Tut-to oni noch'iu sobralis' i poshli na proryv.
Vstretil ih otriad ocepleniia boicov v 20 i primerno chas
uspeshno otbivalsia (streliat'-to specnazovcy umeiut). V shtabe,
vidimo, vse spali - po krainei mere nikakogo podkrepleniia ne
podoshlo. V konce koncov oceplenie otoshlo, a bandity prorvalis' i
ushli, uvodia chast' zalojnikov. V oceplenii pogiblo shestero.
Ot sela k etomu vremeni ostalos' nemnogo. Na chem vse i
konchilos'. Pozorishe i posmeshishe.
Oficial'nye dannye (vse cifry primerno): osvobojdeny (v
smysle vyshli jivymi k svoim) 80 zalojnikov (veroiatno, eto
pravda); uvedeno v Chechniu 60; Raduev ushel jivoi i daje ne
ranenyi (uje vystupal po TV, radostnyi, kak rebenok); poteri
vlastei - 30 ubityh i 100 ranenyh (pravdopodobno); poteri banditov
- odnomu Allahu izvestny.
Vlasti zaiavili, chto naideno 150 trupov banditov i 30 vziato
v plen. Proverit' nevozmojno, no sootnoshenie podozritel'no -
logichno bylo by ojidat' fifty-fifty ili tipa togo. S drugoi
storony, policeiskie snaipery obychno ubivaiut. Vidimo, chislo
ubityh zavysheno raza v dva. Opiat' je i Raduev skazal, chto
poterial 20%, t.e. chelovek 60 - ochevidno, toje sovrav raza v
dva-tri (tol'ko v Kizliare u nego ubili 30 boicov).
Po poteriam zalojnikov est' tochnye dannye po tem samym
mentam s blok-posta. Bylo ih okolo 40, 25 osvobojdeno, 15 uvedeno
v Chechniu, pogiblo 1-2. Eto, vidimo, pravda. Esli takaia
proporciia i po ostal'nym zalojnikam - rezul'tat bolee chem
priemlemyi, uchityvaia masshtaby bezobraziia. Poskol'ku vriad li
mentov bandity beregli bol'she, chem dagestancev - pohoje, chto
tak i est'.
Inache govoria, postoianno povtoriaemye mass-media slova o
massovoi gibeli zalojnikov ot ognia federal'nyh sil - polnaia
chush'; pri shturme Pervomaiskogo pogiblo zavedomo men'she mirnyh
jitelei, chem vo vremia sobstvenno zahvata Kizliara banditami.
Na samom dele vse eti slova proishodiat ot edinstvennogo
jurnalista (Iakova iz "Izvestii"), kotoryi dobralsia do sela i vse
izdaleka videl.
Videt'-to on videl, no, sudia po tomu, chto on po etomu
povodu napisal - on polnyi bolvan (eto, konechno, moe lichnoe
mnenie). V chastnosti, esli v derevne sgorel dom - eto vovse ne
oznachaet, chto vse vnutri doma pogibli (kak polagaet nash
jurnalist).
Voobshe idiotizm mass-media uspeshno sopernichal s idiotizmom
vlastei. Standartnym janrom byla isterika diktora na fone
nevniatnoi kartinki.
Dudaevcy predlojili zalojnikov-dagestancev otpustit' bez
uslovii, a plennyh mentov obmeniat' na svoih plennyh. Vpolne
dostoinyi hod.
Vot takoi bred. Teper' kommentarii.
Malen'kii vopros nomer odin: kakogo cherta kolonnu voobshe
vpustili v naselennyi punkt? Nu ostanovili by ih v chistom pole i
libo shturmovali, libo prosto derjali oceplenie i jdali, poka oni
vymerznut na 10-gradusnom moroze. Ves' posleduiushii bardak
proishodil iz etoi pervoi ahinei.
Nomer dva: glavnyi pozor - to, chto bandity prorvalis'.
Voobshe-to davno pridumany koliuchaia provoloka, okopy i minnye
polia. Tak chto esli vziat' shturmom ukreplennuiu derevniu -
deistvitel'no ser'eznaia zadacha, to uj derjat' vokrug nee
oceplenie - delo nehitroe. Nu prignali by motostrelkovyi polk i
prikazali zaniat' oboronu soglasno ustavu! Vmesto etogo otdel'nye
otriady sideli v chistom pole v snegu bez okopov, kryshi,
goriachei pishi i normal'noi sviazi.
Chechenskii nachshtaba Mashadov skazal, chto etot reid -
bezobrazie i chto Raduev budet nakazan, a takje chto tam byli
"nashi luchshie boicy". Hot' kakoe-to uteshenie...
Opiat' je v uteshenie mojno vspomnit', chto vo vremia
nedavnei strel'by v Gudermese 100 russkih soldat dve nedeli
derjali oboronu protiv primerno tysiachi dudaevcev i blagopoluchno
otbilis'. Nu legche s sovremennym orujiem oboroniat'sia, chem
napadat', nu chto podelaesh'!
Otdel'naia poema - reakciia vyshego nachal'stva. Chtoby za 20
sekund v efire prezident smorozil srazu dve gluposti - eto nado
umet'! Prichem imenno glupost', a ne vran'e. V chastnosti, Elkin,
vidimo, ne znal, chto Dagestan - chast' Rossii i vosprinimal ego
kak nezavisimoe gosudarstvo tipa Gruzii (ia ne shuchu!).
Vtoroi hohmoi byla fraza Elkina o tom, chto v Pervomaiskom u
banditov byla zaranee podgotovlennaia baza (nad etoi frazoi pressa
izdevalas' nedeliu). Opiat' je eto - ne vran'e, a glupost':
ochevidno, v doklade bylo skazano, chto u banditov byli
ukrepleniia (chto pravda), a elkinskii spichraiter s neuemnym
literaturnym darom eto otredaktiroval.
V opravdanie vlastei mojno skazat' razve chto sleduiushee:
bylo neponiatno, chto, sobstvenno, organizuetsia - to li armeiskii
shturm ukreplennogo punkta protivnika, to li policeiskaia
operaciia po osvobojdeniiu zalojnikov. V rezul'tate proishodilo
postoiannoe smeshenie janrov: policeiskih v kachestve pehoty
brosali na pulemety; artilleriia streliala, no ne ochen' i t.p.
Shef KGB v jalkoe opravdanie skazal, chto takogo masshtaba
terroristicheskih akcii v mire do sih por ne bylo, chto chistaia
pravda. Kak izvestno, pri "obychnom" osvobojdenii zalojnikov na
treh-piateryh terroristov s pistoletami prihoditsia sotnia
policeiskih s avtomatami. A v KGB-vskoi gruppe protivoterrora
vsego-to sotnia boicov - protiv 300 u Radueva. I voorujenie u nih
ravnoe. Vot i osvobojdaite tut zalojnikov.
A upiraetsia vse v promejutochnoe polojenie Rossii kak
"byvshei civilizovannoi strany": to li ona civilizovannaia, to li
net. S odnoi storony, civilizovannaia, potomu chto prosto perebit'
banditov vmeste s zalojnikami, rasstreliav kolonnu s vertoletov
(chego uj proshe) - kak by nehorosho. S drugoi storony, po
civilizovannym stranam vrode by ne doljny raz'ezjat' bandy v 300
boicov s voorujeniem sovremennyh komandos.
Vot eta drugaia storona vseliaet nekotoryi ujas, a imenno: a
nu kak takaia banda zavedetsia v "civilizovannoi" strane - kto i
kak ee ostanovit? Sovremennoe ruchnoe orujie nastol'ko effektivno,
chto v usloviiah peresechennoi mestnosti (naprimer, goroda) s
takoi bandoi spravit'sia prakticheski nevozmojno: BTR podbivaetsia
s odnogo vystrela, tank - s 5-6, vertolet toje sbivaetsia, a
strelka ne vidno.
Vot i predstav'te sebe bandu v 200 chelovek tipa dudaevskoi,
baziruiushuiusia v down-towne i vyhodiashuiu grabit' bogatye
prigorody. A takje predstav'te sebe down-town, gde iz kajdogo okna
mojet strel'nuit' granatomet. Ili obychnuiu kompaniiu rokerov - i
u kajdogo cherez plecho "Kalashnikov". Vpechatliaet?
Vash Andrei.
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Hi everybody,
I need to send a couple of documents (doverennosti) to St.Petersburg
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please let me know.
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Hi!
Due to the decline of enrollment in Russian courses in America, I am now an
unemployed teacher of Russian. I am trying to start a business of doing
translations from Russian German or Serbian to English. If you have anything
you need to have translated, please e-mail at my address:
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Dear friends (especially FizTechs),
Currently you can find (and read!) a very interesting book - memoirs
of the FizTech FUPM dean N.N. Moiseyev. One can easily download all
chapters of the book at http://www.glasnet.ru. The book is in the
ANONCE part of the Main Menu. Believe me, it is worth to try.
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Dear INFO-RUSSers,
I am looking (once again) for a baby-sitter to live with us 5 days a
week in Sudbury, Massachusetts (50 min drive from Boston), care for my
2y.9m.- old boy and do some easy house-keeping. If you know an
interested person, please contact me directly by e-mail sigalovs@mit.edu
or by phone: (617)253-4480 daytime and (508)440-8856 evenings.
Thanks for the help,
Julia Sigalovsky
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Kratkoe zamechanie k tekstu Andrei Andrianova "CHECHNIA - SVETLOE BUDUSHEE
VSEGO CHELOVECHESTVA?" Andrei zadaetsia voprosom: "A nu kak takaia
banda zavedetsia v "civilizovannoi" strane - kto i kak ee ostanovit?"
Otvet na etot vopros ("ne zavedetsia") zakliuchaetsia v tom, chto
civilizovannye strany v sobstvennom smysle etogo slova ne posylaiut voisk
v drugie natsional'no-gosudarstvennye obrazovaniia, zaiavivshie o svoei
nezavisimosti, a skoree naoborot - takovye voiska, esli uzh oni okazalis'
v chuzhom dome, vyvodiat, predostavliaia drugim narodam zanimat'sia
svoimi sobstvennymi delami i reshat' svoiu sobstvennuiu sud'bu bez
ustanovok "Grad". I eshche odno, terminologicheskoe, zamechanie: nazyvat'
chechentsev "banditami" - dazhe i zakhvatyvaiushchikh zalozhnikov -
riskovanno. Chto esli zavtra Rossii pridetsia s etimi "banditami"
podpisyvat' dogovor o mire i granitse, a russkomu prezidentu nado
budet pozhimat' ruku g-nu Dudaevu? Stremno.
Vash Volodia.
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Dear friends:
This is a final list of donors to the Ovchinnikov's fund made through
American Help Foundation. The total amount is almost $2,500.
It appears that sufficient funds have been raised and V.F. is expected
to arrive to Germany to undergo a planned surgery.
Thank you all.
Baransky, Yuri
Belinson, Alexander
Berdichevsky, Irina & Stanislav
Beyzerov, Michael
Charny, Leonid
Egorov, V.
Fleishman, Semen
Frumkin, Michael
Fuchs, Irina & Dmitry
Gassko, Irene
Guy, Michael
Kraytsberg, Alexander
Lavut, Tatyana
Levin, Aleksey
Nayerman, Yakov
Neimark, Alexander
Polivanova, Svetlana
Porotsky, Leonid
Rikun, Anatoly
Rozenman, Michael & Julia
Shnaydman, Vladimir
Shubin, Michael
Sidorenko, Alexander
Tumanov, Alexander & Olga
Vishik, S.
Yegorov, Vladimir
Yusin, Galina
Zak, Victor
Zolotusky, Galina
L. C.
_______________________________________________________________________________
Leonid Charny
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Phone: (617) 353-5442 FAX: (617) 353-5548 E-mail: leon@bu.edu
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I'd like to inform members of the alias of a company that provides FREE
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Andrej, dobryj den'!
U menja k Vashemu tekstu neskol'ko melkih pretenzij po faktam
(skoree, konechno, gruppirovke i interpretacii), a takzhe popytka
otvetit' na Vash osnoveoj vopros:
> CHECHNIA - SVETLOE BUDUSHEE VSEGO CHELOVECHESTVA?
Itak, poehali.
>i, v sushnosti, edinstvennaia ser'eznaia poteria - eto
>razdolbannaia vdryzg derevnia. Ne bog vest' chto.
Kak Vy dumaete, ostavshiesja sredi zimy bez domov zhiteli stanicy
poluchat pomosch' ot praitel'stva, naprimer, zhil'e? Cherez skol'ko
mesjacev (let, dnej)?
> Po doroge oni zahvatili blok-post (check-point), a na nem 40
>milicionerov zalojnikami, a takje kuchu boepripasov s blok-posta.
>Utverjdaetsia, chto proizoshla ocherednaia glupost': na blok-postu
>nichego ne znali, i kolonna pod'ehala vplotnuiu, vystaviv v okna
>jenshin-zalojnic s belymi flagami, a tam vyskochili bandity i
>vziali mentov na mushku.
>
> Ostanovili kolonnu v poslednii moment pered perehodom v
>Chechniu, v derevne Pervomaiskoe. Naselenie uspelo smyt'sia v
>sosednee selo.
Eto izlozhenie sozdaet nepravil'noe predstavlenie o vremennoj
posledovatel'nosti: blok-post nahoditsja v Pervomajskoj, i byl on
zahvachen ne DO, a POSLE togo, kak kolonnu atakovali (obstreljali).
Kolonna razvernulast' ot Shelkovskogo mosta i poshla vglub' Dagestana
(sudja po karte, k Hasav'jurtu).
> Posle chego vlasti nachali gotovit' ataku, a bandity (silami
>zalojnikov) - ryt' okopy. I prodoljalos' et chut' ne NEDELIU! V
>rezul'tate k nachalu shturma u banditov byli ochen' prilichnye
>ukrepleniia. U nih byli pulemety, granatomety i boepripasov na dve
>nedeli strel'by.
Na kadrah TV vidno, chto okopy - ne polnogo profilja. Zalozhnik -
milicioner iz Kizljara govorit, chto ne smog vyryt' dlja sebja
dostatochno glubokij okop, tak kak ego stalo zalivat' gruntovoj vodoj.
> Vstretil ih otriad ocepleniia boicov v 20 i primerno chas
>uspeshno otbivalsia (streliat'-to specnazovcy umeiut). V shtabe,
>vidimo, vse spali - po krainei mere nikakogo podkrepleniia ne
>podoshlo. V konce koncov oceplenie otoshlo, a bandity prorvalis' i
>ushli, uvodia chast' zalojnikov. V oceplenii pogiblo shestero.
Kommentarij budet nizhe, gde obsuzhdajutsja oshibki armii.
> Po poteriam zalojnikov est' tochnye dannye po tem samym
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>mentam s blok-posta. Bylo ih okolo 40, 25 osvobojdeno, 15 uvedeno
>v Chechniu, pogiblo 1-2. Eto, vidimo, pravda.
Bylo ih 36, v rukah chechencev nahoditsja 26. Tochnost' ostal'nyh
cifr takaja zhe. Naprimer, poteri boevikov v 153 cheloveka, kak
vyjasnilos' segodnja, predstavljajut soboj rezul'tat PREDPOLOZhENIJ
(a ne podscheta trupov, kak bylo ob'javleno generalami). Trupov
vsego 42, iz nih 5 prinadlezhat OPOZNANNYM zalozhnikam. Ostal'nye 111 -
"kak predpolagaetsja, utonuli v Tereke" i "kak predpolagaetsja,
podobrany chechencami i uneseny".
> Inache govoria, postoianno povtoriaemye mass-media slova o
>massovoi gibeli zalojnikov ot ognia federal'nyh sil - polnaia
>chush'; pri shturme Pervomaiskogo pogiblo zavedomo men'she mirnyh
>jitelei, chem vo vremia sobstvenno zahvata Kizliara banditami.
> Na samom dele vse eti slova proishodiat ot edinstvennogo
>jurnalista (Iakova iz "Izvestii"), kotoryi dobralsia do sela i vse
>izdaleka videl.
> Videt'-to on videl, no, sudia po tomu, chto on po etomu
>povodu napisal - on polnyi bolvan
[ SKIP ]
>vlastei. Standartnym janrom byla isterika diktora na fone
Napomnju zajavlenie press-sekretarja FSB, chto zhivyh zalozhnikov v sele
net, i s etogo momenta harakter operacii menjaetsja. Imenno posle etogo
sostojalsja proryv blokady raduevcami. Rezonnyj vopros: eto byla shutka?
Esli net, to skol'ko zalozhnikov bylo obrecheno na smert'? Do etogo
osvobodilos' okolo 20 i pogiblo 15 zalozhnikov iz 150-200. Nikto ne
oproverg soobschenija M.Udugova, chto v sredu Raduev predlozhil vypustit'
bez vsjakih uslovij vseh zalozhnikov - grazhdanskih lic i dagestancev.
Utverzhdaetsja, chto na vse popytki peredat' eto predlozhenie
rossijskim vlastjam otvet byl "nikakih zalozhnikov v zhivyh net".
No, konechno, my ne terpim nikakoj "isteriki na fone".
> Malen'kii vopros nomer odin: kakogo cherta kolonnu voobshe
>vpustili v naselennyi punkt? Nu ostanovili by ih v chistom pole i
>libo shturmovali, libo prosto derjali oceplenie i jdali, poka oni
>vymerznut na 10-gradusnom moroze.
Kto "oni", zalozhniki?
Kolonnu vpustili, potomu chto ne bylo plana. Poskol'ku na razrabotku
plana uhodit ne menee nedeli. A ostanovit' nalichnymi vojskami,
da bez plana - eto smeshno. Oni s vdesjatero bol'shimi vojskami
i pri plane ne smogli ostanovit'...
> Nomer dva: glavnyi pozor - to, chto bandity prorvalis'.
>Voobshe-to davno pridumany koliuchaia provoloka, okopy i minnye
>polia. Tak chto esli vziat' shturmom ukreplennuiu derevniu -
>deistvitel'no ser'eznaia zadacha, to uj derjat' vokrug nee
>oceplenie - delo nehitroe. Nu prignali by motostrelkovyi polk i
>prikazali zaniat' oboronu soglasno ustavu! Vmesto etogo otdel'nye
>otriady sideli v chistom pole v snegu bez okopov, kryshi,
>goriachei pishi i normal'noi sviazi.
Pro okopy ne znaju, a vot minnye polja i zagrazhdenija byli.
Federal'naja gruppirovka, kstati, byla znachitel'no bol'she
motostrelkovogo polka (3.5 tys. bojcov, po slovam Barsukova
i Kulikova). Imenno minnye polja raschischali chas s lishnim chechency
(soobschenie novosibirskogo OMONovca), a vovse ne perestrelivalis'
so specnazom. Pomosch' ne podoshla ne potomu, chto v shtabe spali
(podrazumevalsja li u Vas smajl?), a potomu chto proryv proishodil
pri odnovremennom udare izvne s neskol'kih napravlenij.
> Shef KGB v jalkoe opravdanie skazal, chto takogo masshtaba
>terroristicheskih akcii v mire do sih por ne bylo, chto chistaia
>pravda. Kak izvestno, pri "obychnom" osvobojdenii zalojnikov na
>treh-piateryh terroristov s pistoletami prihoditsia sotnia
>policeiskih s avtomatami.
A operacija Entebbe? Sravnite uslovija i rezul'taty!
I, nakonec, glavnoe:
> Vot i predstav'te sebe bandu v 200 chelovek tipa dudaevskoi,
>baziruiushuiusia v down-towne i vyhodiashuiu grabit' bogatye
>prigorody. A takje predstav'te sebe down-town, gde iz kajdogo okna
>mojet strel'nuit' granatomet. Ili obychnuiu kompaniiu rokerov - i
>u kajdogo cherez plecho "Kalashnikov". Vpechatliaet?
Net, ne vpechatljaet. POChEMU-TO etogo ne proishodit, hotja avtomat,
granatomet i nosimyj ZRK pridumali uzhe davno. Kak-to spravljajutsja na
rannej stadii silami policejskih osvedomitelej.
Delo v tom, chto banda ne stremitsja k zahvatu vlasti - togda
ischeznut bogatye (a vmeste s nimi vsja gorodskaja infrastruktura).
Eto nalagaet estestvennuju granicu na moguschestvo bandy.
A chechency vojujut za polnyj kontrol' nad svoej territoriej - eto
VOJNA, veduschajasja (poroj) banditskimi metodami. Eto principial'no
raznye zanjatija.
> Vash Andrei.
Prijatno bylo pochitat'.
Vash Alik
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Navsegda rasstaemsya s toboj, druzhok.
Narisuj na bumage prostoj kruzhok.
Eto budu ya: nichego vnutri.
Posmotri na nego, a potom sotri.
Umer Brodskij.
V XX veke russkaja literatura ne byla bedna talantami. Umiral odin, ostavalis'
drugie. Ne tri, tak dva, ne dva, tak odin. A vot mezhdu odnim i nulem -
raznica nalichiya i otsutstviya. Sejchas - ne ostalos' nikogo.
Brodskij uzhe umiral odin raz. I v svoem sobstvennom soznanii, i v soznanii
ostavshihsya. Kogda v 72 godu ego vyperli, on ne mog predstavit' sebe svoego
sushchestvovaniya vne goroda. Ego stihi posle etogo - stihi s togo sveta.
(Ya ne hochu citirovat' dlya teh, kto ne chital: ne dlya etogo stihi
pishutsya). V Leningrade zhe ostavshiesya poety "andergraunda" stali bodro
sporit', kto iz nih pervyj piit Peterburga. Ibo uezzhavshie ne proyavlyalis'
bol'she nikogda, a stalo byt', perestavali sushchestvovat'. Zhal', neplohie
poety prinimali v etom uchastie, no chitat' ih bol'she ne hochetsya.
Brodskij - dovol'no redkij, hotya ne unikal'nyj, primer lozhnoj slavy togo
zhe urovnya, kotorogo dolzhna byla by byt' istinnaya. Drugoj hrestomatijnyj
primer - Pushkin: kakoj zhe russkij ne znaet Pushkina? Tol'ko chitat' vot
ego dlya etogo ne obyazatel'no. Brodskij - poet velikij, no kamernyj. Ne
mogut ego lyubit' vse, ya ne pro narod, no dazhe pro iskrenne
chitayushchuyu publiku. Ya imeyu pravo ob etom govorit': kogda ya govoril
komu-nibud', chto Brodskij, kak mne kazhetsya, - poet urovnya Mandel'shtama,
vo vtoroj polovine 60h godov
eto vosprinimalos' kak eres' i preuvelichenie, granichivshee s neprilichiem.
Byli metry, i byl mal'chishka Brodskij, nu, "Piligrimy" tam, "Vasil'evskij
ostrov", no kakie-to paradniki; poet, konechno, soslali, svolochi, no v
obshchem - protezhe Ahmatovoj, i ne nado preuvelichivat', i voobshche u
vseh, s kem vlast' ploho oboshlas', poyavlyaetsya preuvelichennaya izvestnost'.
Potom byl eshche period, kogda Brodskij byl poetom gorodskogo masshtaba: v
Leningrade - "velikij", v stolice - predmet i primer piterskogo snobizma. Ya
ochen' horosho pomnyu eto vremya, i kogda posle Nobelevskoj premii vdrug
poyavilas' vsenarodnaya slava, dlya menya eto bylo koshchunstvo i licemerie.
Ne dolzhno byt' slavy posle premii. Ne smotrite Nobelevskomu komitetu v zuby,
chitajte sami.
Za granicej zhe delo obstoyalo tak, kak vsegda obstoit. V Brown University
Brodskogo ne izuchali, potomu chto on eshche ne umer. Izuchat' nado umershih,
o nih mnenie ustoyalos'. (Poetomu izuchali "Cement" Gladkova, prichem v
perevode). V U. of Connecticut Brodskogo prohodili. Izvestnejshaya rusistka
harbinskogo prois\cydot hozhdeniya Irene Kirk sprashivala u studentov-oluhov: pochemu
Brodskij napisal "Na Vasil'evskij Ostrov ya vernus' umirat'"? Oluhi ne znali.
Mrs Kirk otvechala: potomu chto na Vasil'evskom Ostrove nahoditsya
Universitet, t.e., stalo byt', eto vrode kak residential area vozle kampusa,
tam-to i zhivut intelligentnye lyudi.
Brodskij byl umen. Eto redkoe kachestvo u poeta. Kak-to poluchaetsya, chto
obychno umenie rassuzhdat' meshaet neposredstvennomu proyavleniyu talanta,
kak budto talant prohodit potokom ne cherez golovu, a pryamo na bumagu iz
vozduha. Etim radikal'no otlichaetsya rannij - doot`ezdnyj - Brodskij ot
posleot`ezdnogo. Do - on ne rassuzhdal, a perenosil na bumagu potok, s
kotorym ne vsegda i spravlyalsya. Ya ochen' lyublyu eti stihi, v nih est'
svezhest' i napor, kotorye on poteryal posle. Brodskij - razlyubil ih. On
byl protiv ih perepechatki, i na vopros, neuzheli on ne lyubit dazhe
"Shestvie", otvetil "Osobenno "Shestvie"". Eti stihi mnogim hotelos'
polozhit' na muzyku, i inogda eto dazhe poluchalos', u Klyachkina i Mirzayana,
hotya tut zhe oni zhe portili muzykoj drugie ego veshchi.
Posle ot`ezda Brodskij stal intellektualen i sovershenen. U nego
ischezli sluchajnye slova, i kazhdaya fraza stala mysl'yu. (Moya fraza zvuchit
ironichno, i ona i byla by ironiej v otnoshenii kogo-nibud' drugogo. Brodskij
nastol'ko talantliv, chto i v etoj ipostasi pisal genial'nye stihi - tol'ko
drugie). Interesno bylo slushat', chto on govorit; pro kakogo eshche poeta vy
eto mozhete skazat'?
I Brodskij nikogda ne vysluzhivalsya, ni v kakoj ierarhii. Eto tozhe bol'shaya
redkost' v Rossii. Mozhet byt', emu prosto povezlo. Predydushchim nado bylo
vrat', chtoby poprostu vyzhit'. Ili, inogda, oni i vpravdu zaputyvalis' -
eto proishodilo gorazdo chashche, chem sejchas hochetsya dumat', vziraya na
sovetskij stroj s nashej chechenskoj vysoty. A potom - te, kto byli protiv,
stali sozdavat' antiierarhii, i vpolne iskrenne vysluzhivat'sya v nih. Brodskij
uehal nikem, a potom byl odin. Emu ne prishlos' imet' dela ni s kakoj iz etih
ierarhij, i edinstvennoe, v chem on mog by raskaivat'sya - eto chto srazu
posle vysylki napisal pis'mo Brezhnevu, gde prosilsya nazad. Nu tak ved' ne
znal on, chto tak silen, chto sostoitsya i vne gnezda. Nebol'shoj eto greh.
No ya ne dumayu, chto emu prosto povezlo. Brodskij obladal redkim v russkoj
tradicii chuvstvom ironii. V Rossii est' smeh, satira, chernyj yumor; ironiya -
eto chuvstvo mery, kogda tebya ne zanosit, i ty smeesh'sya lish' nad tem, chto
lozhno. Dlya etogo nado obladat' etim chuvstvom lozhnogo. Brodskij im
bezuslovno obladal, a kto eshche - srazu v golovu ne prihodit. Tochnee, est',
konechno, no kak i intellektual'nost', eto svojstvo redko sochetaetsya s
tvorcheskoj genial'nost'yu: tvorchestvo sintetichno, a ironiya analitichna, i
vrode, im nechego delat' vmeste. An vot poluchilos'. Tak chto dumayu ya, chto
protivno bylo by emu igrat' rol'. No vse-taki horosho, chto ne poprosili.
Russkaya poeziya posle Brodskogo nahoditsya v strannom vide. On radikal'no
izmenil sredstva vyrazheniya. Pisat' tak, kak do nego, uzhe nel'zya, no
rezul'tat etogo obogashcheniya sovsem ne ocheviden: slishkom mnogo tekstov
kazhutsya podrazhaniyami. Avos' utryasetsya - ili, avos', poyavitsya kto-to,
komu nezachem budet pol'zovat'sya sredstvami Brodskogo. No eto lish' avos'.
Konchilas' epoha Brodskogo. Ne dlya mnogih ona - epoha Brodskogo, no poprobujte
podumat', kto ot nee ostanetsya cherez N let. Brodskij-to ostanetsya. Novaya
epoha ne budet epohoj kakogo-libo poeta. Poka chto pohozhe, chto ona budet
epohoj massovoj slepoty.
B. Velkson
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Dear Sasha,
A while ago I have posted on IR a request on behalf of a friend whose wife
had an urgent need to go to Russia and get back without problems. I have
received a decent amount of responses and forwarded all of them to the guy.
There was also a number of requests to share the obtained info. I've bugged
Boris (that's his name) for a long time to come up with some summary and he
finally has given birth to one. Which one I forward to you and it's up to
you whether to post it as is, cut into pieces or just dump. See - it's only
the "owners and coordinators" who are free to do things in this free country
:-).
Sincerely,
Sasha
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Hi folks, that's the long-awaited summary from the friend on whose behalf
I've asked your assitance with the problem "How to go to Russia and not get
stuck there..." That's a bit too long for a summary but don't blame me.
Blame Don Alejandro, that's definitely his romantic influence on
Russian-speaking American community :-).
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First of all, I want to thank all comrades who responded to my inquiry
and tried to help us in our dilemma. I am that "American guy" to whose
problem my friend Alexander alluded in his message. An ex-Russian,
actually - but that was long, long time ago. So long, I hardly remember
when, and live a happier life for it. I brought my college-time
sweetheart from Russia and married her, and thence acquired this
problem. Here is the place to answer an oft-unstated question (and
sometimes stated too) - How could she be so dumb to have changed her
last name? And the truthful answer is - she did it for love. The most
amusing for me was the opinion which often accompanied the question,
which could be stated loosely "Our Government is reasonable." Our,
meaning "ikhniy", Russkie government, that is.
Perhaps the query could have been worded better. As it was, some of
the advice we got did not make sense at all, or did not make sense for
us. In this here summary, as we said in Texas (when I was in Texas) I
ain't gonna mention those. My story will be also affected by my own
personal knowledge of the situation, the rules and regulations here and
there, experience of relatives and non-network friends, and also by my
personal knowledge of Russia and it's people (which leads to my
personal conviction that I won't go there if you paid me.)
Having said that, here's the story:
My wife has a Russian foreign passport in her maiden name and a Green
card in her new name. She came here as a tourist, we got married, she
got her status "adjusted" with the INS, got a green card, and never
knew any trouble. She of course neglected to "register" with the
Russian consulate, as one is supposed to do, and neglected to pay them
the requisite fee, which is either $50 total or $50 yearly. Travelling
abroad was not a problem, in fact we went on a European tour in
November, visiting Germany, France, Switzerland, Italy and Spain. Three
visas were required for her - United Europe, Italy and Switzerland, but
getting them in Boston was no problem at all. And getting into the US
requires just a Green card (plus a valid passport), nothing else. Just
to make sure, we took with us our marriage certificate, but were never
asked to show it.
Now here is the problem as we saw it. She gets into Russia with no
problem. On the way out she shows her tourist passport and a Green card
in a different name, which only attracts attention of the
pogranichniki. Even if they won't turn her around and tell her to
change both internal and foreign passports for a new name, we learned
on a good authority that Green Card is a sure indication to them that
you live in America permanently. Which requires a "postoyannoye
mestozhitelstvo" Russian foreign passport - unique among civilized
nations, and uncivilized too. As we were told, "OMONovtsi s avtomatami
zavorachivayut" such people. Enough to lose your appetite for
days.
So, the range of advice we got is here, in the increasing order of
desirability:
1. Take all documents in triplicate, have them translated into Russian,
submit kuda nado in Moscow, and in no time you'll be out of the
Muvvaland. We estimated 3 months waiting in Russia. Cost in roubles
unknown, cost in bribes unknown. Time spent queuing up in OVIR's
corridors unknown. Those of you who dealt with the OVIR lately know it
better than I. And just to think of an emotional price of being in jail
again? No way, Jose.
2. Get American Re-entry permit, conceal your Russian citizenship (tell
them you were a refugee before 1980 and legally rejected it), and try
to get a Russian visa. It entailed waiting for the re-entry permit
for about a week if you submit a justification of urgency (like a
telegram that you relative is dying) suitably translated into English
and certified, PLUS plausibly lying to the Russians in the Embassy. US
Government shutdown added a twist to it. It turned out that passport
issuance was deemed "non-essential." Our hope that re-entry permit
issuance was "essential" had to be rather slim. They are all made up
somewhere in Nebraska, so that the local congressional office can't
help speed it up, as was the case 4 years ago. Additionally, Boston
is not served by the Russian consulate in New York, one has to go to
Washington, which is just a small comment on the notion that "Russian
government is reasonable."
For those who don't know, Re-Entry permit is issued by INS to
permanent residents of the US, who want to travel abroad, but don't
have their native passport or don't wish to use it for some reason. It
looks somewhat like a passport, is white, narrower than the blue US
Passport, and has pages for foreign visas and stamps. It also has an
item "Claimed nationality", which would contain "Russian" in my wife's
case, unless she lied to the INS and said "stateless" in her
application. Which is not a good idea anyway, I mean lying to the INS,
if you want to remain in their good graces. Re-entry permit is
redundant if you have a green card and a valid passport. Could be
useful if you lost your green card, or your passport expired but you
didn't get American citizenship yet - that kind of thing.
I know at least one case where getting such re-entry permit proved
useless,
because the Russians denied a visa, and the person had to use her
Russian passport and pay $50 per year fine for all years she lived in
the US not having registered with the Russian embassy.
3. Go to the Russian Embassy in Washington, pay your good $500 (yes,
five hundred) and they will give you a piece of paper to the effect
that you applied for a "postoyannoye mestozhitelstvo" passport, which
you'll get in a year. Apparently the KGB will properly investigate you
and see if you are a dostoyniy predstavitel'. Or something like that.
But meanwhile, Muvvaland won't insist on keeping you locked up.
Apart from the sheer cost of it all (including air fare to Washington,
D.C., hotel, etc), paying good American dollars to the Muvvaland was
the most distressing thing of all. Personally, I'd rather burn them.
But at least this was a viable option. And probably cheaper than
bribing the OMON.
4. The best advice of all came from two or three sources, including the
Russian consul in NYC, who couldn't take $500 and give us that fil'kina
gramota, but could give a good advice. Leave through the third
country. That's exactly what my wife did.
She went to the Lithuanian consulate in NYC and explained the
situation. Normally, in invitation from someone in Lithuania is
required for a guest visa for a Russian national. The good folks in NY
consulate of Lithuania waived that requirement. The idea that the
Muvvaland would be screwed out of 500 bucks must have appealed to them
too. My wife was charged $7 ($5 + $2 for urgency). She flew Finnair, NY
- Helsinki - StPetersburg. There she bought a train ticket to Vilnius
and spend a comfortable night on the train, being only awaken by
various pogranichniki of Baltic states, who probably looked for the
kontraband. In Vilnius she boarded a Finnair plane to Helsinki, and
then the same Helsinki-NY plane that she would have flown had she left
from StPetersburg.
That's it. many thanks to all who responded. We couldn't have managed
without you.
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^Nizhnii Novgorod Governor Boris Nemtsov gave President Yeltsin a petition
signed by one million residents of his region demanding that the war in
Chechnya be ended and Russian troops be withdrawn.
CRIMINAL PROCEEDINGS RESTARTED AGAINST STANKEVICH.
Stankevich, formerly a political adviser to President Yeltsin,
was accused of accepting a bribe of $10,000 for helping to arrange a
concert of Russian classical music on Red Square in 1992.
HOW A CONVICTED CRIMINAL WAS ELECTED TO THE DUMA. Mikhail Monastyrskii,
convicted of four crimes and sentenced to a total of 20 years in prison,
has become a Duma deputy on the party list of Vladimir Zhirinovsky's
Liberal Democratic Party of Russia (LDPR). Zhirinovsky dropped Monastyrskii
and 10 other candidates with a
criminal past from the LDPR list in October. However, four days AFTER
the December elections, the party asked the Central Electoral Commission
(TsIK) to reinstate Monastyrskii on its list. The TsIK decided that
Monastyrskii could be registered as a Duma deputy since its 29 November
resolution removing him from the party list had not yet been officially
published. ^ Kogda korr Izvestij sprosil odnogo funkcionera LDPR, pochemu
obychno gorduj Zhirik presmykalsya pered CIKom iz-za Monastyrskogo, tot
lyapnul, chto "Monastyrskij dlya Zhirinovskogo vse ravno chto Parvus dlya
Lenina" (Imeya vvidu tot fact chto bol'shevikov real'no finansiroval Parvus.)
Funkcioner oseksya i nachal umolyat' korrespondenta ni pri kakih
obstoyatel'stvah ne vydavat' ego imeni. "Dazhe pod pytkoj," - popytalsya
otshutit'sya zhurnalist. "Po vyrazheniyu lica funkcionera ya ponyal, chto
moya shutka okazalas' yavno neumestnoj."
^
BEETHOVEN did it apassionately
^
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I am looking for a list of US/Western firms that are heavily engaged in =
either exporting to or importing from Russia/Eastern Europe. If you =
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Dear Netters!
I am looking for an advice of someone who is familiar with
US immigration laws. I am a permanent US resident, and have
wife in Russia. We are married for 3.5 years. Her application
for immigration to the US (form I-130) is approved, but there
is a "waiting period" for another 2 years that separates
our family. Her temporary visit to the US is also excluded,
according to the immigration laws.
If you know a possible way to overcome this delay, or any other
applicable laws, I would appreciate to hear from you.
Please e-mail to aromanov@ccs.neu.edu
Thank you in advance
Regards
Alexey
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Dear netters,
a while ago I posted request asking where to find quality tapes of Russian
(Czech, Polish, so on) movies. I have got more than 50 responses (thanks
to all who replied and provided the information) and about the same number
of the inquiries to share my future findings. So, there they are:
1. Movies Unlimited. They have about 70 well known and some new Russian
movies and ~50 documentaries. Call 1-800-523-0823 to order catalogue
($10.95, they accept credit cards). The prices are high ($20-80) but they
often go down to $20. The quality is american standard, all movies are
subtitled (some dubbed). The catalogue is a good source of foreign movies
(Italy, France, Germany, Poland...).
2. Home Film Festival - an expellent sours of foreign (~50 Russian
titles) movies. Quality is american standard. Here one do not have to buy
tape(s) which are $20-80 but rent it instead for 3 days ($6 + s/h). There
is also a fee ($15) to become a member and to receive their catalogue.
Call (800)-258-3456.
3. I did not order from this source yet but it looks like this Russian
owned company sell ORIGINALS (~200 movies and documentaries), many
subtitled and dubbed, prices $20-50. "Russian Cinema", Polygon Plaza
2050 Center Ave., Suite 355, Fort Lee, NJ 07024; phone: (201) 944-8786.
There are also some others American-owned companies but I did not find any
price/choice of the movies advantage there.
Merry Christmas and Happy new year to all,
Alex Gybin
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I am interested in some appropriate contract work or other
limited time employment in Russia or the FSU.
Would any of you people happen to know of any openings for which people
would consider a Physicist with my training and experience?
I have a PhD in Physics [High energy Theory from Brown University],
several years of postdoctoral appointments in academic High Energy Theory
[Rutgers; Princeton; Imperial College, London; ICTP, Trieste], plus
several years of independent contract work [mostly mathematical modeling
with some programming]. There is also several years of highly non-trivial
industrial research experience in Condensed Matter and Polymer Physics
[Theory and Experiment] at RCA [Sarnoff] Labs., Continental Can Co., Avery
International.
As you can see, I am basically a fairly well rounded physicist with some
reasonable amount of science related computer experience. I consider
myself to be versatile, enthusiastic, and very good at making significant
contributions while getting into new things. If you think you know where
there might be some interest in me for limited time employment, please let
me know. I can, of course, get a resume ou