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From root Tue Jan 16 10:10:24 1996 >From INFO-RUSS-request@smarty.ece.jhu.edu Tue Jan 16 10:10:24 1996 Return-Path: Received: from smarty.ece.jhu.edu by psi.ece.jhu.edu with SMTP; Tue, 16 Jan 1996 10:10:21 -0500 Received: by smarty.ece.jhu.edu (5.61/1.18jrs) id AA11296; Tue, 16 Jan 96 08:47:28 -0500 Message-Id: <9601161347.AA11296@smarty.ece.jhu.edu> Errors-To: INFO-RUSS-request@smarty.ece.jhu.edu Sender: INFO-RUSS-request@smarty.ece.jhu.edu Precedence: bulk Received: from weizmann.weizmann.ac.il by smarty.ece.jhu.edu (5.61/1.18jrs) id AA25258; Sun, 14 Jan 96 09:04:53 -0500 Received: from WEIZMANN.WEIZMANN.AC.IL by WEIZMANN.weizmann.ac.il (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 2850; Sun, 14 Jan 96 16:04:13 +0200 Received: from WEIZMANN (NJE origin CSBERFEL@WEIZMANN) by WEIZMANN.WEIZMANN.AC.IL (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 5698; Sun, 14 Jan 1996 16:04:13 +0200 Date: Sun, 14 Jan 96 15:57:17 +0200 From: mary Subject: INFO-RUSS: adress To: info-russ@smarty.ece.jhu.edu Status: RO --------------------------------------------------------------------- This is INFO-RUSS broadcast (1150+ subscribers). Home page, information, and archives: http://psi.ece.jhu.edu/~kaplan/IRUSS/inforuss.html To post, or to subscribe/unsubscribe, mail to info-russ@smarty.ece.jhu.edu INFO-RUSS is not responsible for the information supplied by its users or/and for their views. --------------------------------------------------------------------- If anybody knows the adress of Elena Tropsha who came to US from Mosckow in 1985-89 mail it to me please. Elena got her PhD from Mosckow University and worked in Petrochemical Institute of Academy of Science. My e-mail is csberfel@weizmann.weizmann.ac.il. From root Tue Jan 16 10:34:20 1996 >From INFO-RUSS-request@smarty.ece.jhu.edu Tue Jan 16 10:34:20 1996 Return-Path: Received: from smarty.ece.jhu.edu by psi.ece.jhu.edu with SMTP; Tue, 16 Jan 1996 10:34:18 -0500 Received: by smarty.ece.jhu.edu (5.61/1.18jrs) id AA11286; Tue, 16 Jan 96 08:46:47 -0500 Message-Id: <9601161346.AA11286@smarty.ece.jhu.edu> Errors-To: INFO-RUSS-request@smarty.ece.jhu.edu Sender: INFO-RUSS-request@smarty.ece.jhu.edu Precedence: bulk Received: from pulsar.ras.ru by smarty.ece.jhu.edu (5.61/1.18jrs) id AA03891; Mon, 15 Jan 96 18:33:10 -0500 Received: from masu.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by ium.ips.ras.ru (8.6.9/8.6.9) with UUCP id BAA04032 for info-russ@smarty.ece.jhu.edu; Tue, 16 Jan 1996 01:29:50 +0300 Received: by ium.ips.ras.ru (UUPC/@ v6.14g, 08Sep95) id AA22829; Tue, 16 Jan 1996 01:01:27 +0200 (EET) To: info-russ@smarty.ece.jhu.edu Organization: School N57 From: "Alexandr A. Suhanov" Date: Tue, 16 Jan 96 01:01:26 +0200 (EET) Subject: INFO-RUSS: Perezhivshih ad stav'at na koleni. Status: RO --------------------------------------------------------------------- This is INFO-RUSS broadcast (1150+ subscribers). Home page, information, and archives: http://psi.ece.jhu.edu/~kaplan/IRUSS/inforuss.html To post, or to subscribe/unsubscribe, mail to info-russ@smarty.ece.jhu.edu INFO-RUSS is not responsible for the information supplied by its users or/and for their views. --------------------------------------------------------------------- 15/01/1996 Privet, narody! S 9 utra v stanice Pervomajskoj idet boj s primeneniem artillerii i aviacii. Oficial'no eto nazyvaetsja "operacija special'nyh sil po osvobozhdeniju zalozhnikov". Svedenija o poterjah, soobschaemye storonami, protivorechivye (v desjatki raz). Selo k nochi pochti polnost'ju sgorelo, zalozhniki, vidimo, perevedeny v betonnyj bunker. Ne poluchili nikakogo nezavisimogo podtverzhdenija soobschenija FSB (so ssylkoj na radioperehvaty), chto Raduev rasstreljal shest' OMONovcev i dagestanskih starejshin (poslednee - vidimo, lozh' bezuslovnaja). Vo vsjakom sluchae, jasno odno - zalozhnikov vlasti "spisali v rashod". V vechernej peredache novostej "Vesti" pokazali kartinku, illjustrirujuschuju povtorennye v techenie dnja mnogo raz slova, chto osvobozhdeny 9 zalozhnikov. Pokazali primerno treh iz nih (dvuh dagestancev i odnogo russkogo), vid oni imeli rasterzannyj, odin pozhalovalsja na sil'nyj holod. Strannyj rakurs, v kotorom ih pokazyvali (ochen' krupnym planom sverhu, tak chto v kadre lico i chast' grudi), a takzhe zhaloba raz'jasnilis' dostatochno sluchajno - v konce sjuzheta kamera motnulas' v storonu, i polsekundy byl viden obschij plan. "Osvobozhdennye" zalozhniki STOJaLI NA SNEGU NA KOLENJaH POD PRICELOM dlinnostvol'nyh avtomatov. V ostal'nyh peredachah novostej te zhe kadry sverhu-vblizi, no redaktura gramotnee. "Tak vot ona, VAShA svoboda..." Alik PS Podrobnee napishu posle uzhe skoroj razvjazki. Tut esche mnogo chego proishodit. E naznachil Glavoj Administracii Prezidenta Nikolaja Egorova, byvshego "prokuratora Chechni", cheloveka otkrovenno fashistskih ubezhdenij, vybrav naibolee udachnyj den' dlja ob'javlenija - segodnja. V obschem, do zavtrashnego dnja. "Esli eto mozhno nazvat' dnem". A. From root Tue Jan 16 11:17:04 1996 >From INFO-RUSS-request@smarty.ece.jhu.edu Tue Jan 16 11:17:04 1996 Return-Path: Received: from smarty.ece.jhu.edu by psi.ece.jhu.edu with SMTP; Tue, 16 Jan 1996 11:17:03 -0500 Received: by smarty.ece.jhu.edu (5.61/1.18jrs) id AA11278; Tue, 16 Jan 96 08:46:23 -0500 Errors-To: INFO-RUSS-request@smarty.ece.jhu.edu Sender: INFO-RUSS-request@smarty.ece.jhu.edu Precedence: bulk Received: from pulsar.ras.ru by smarty.ece.jhu.edu (5.61/1.18jrs) id AA00727; Thu, 11 Jan 96 18:41:45 -0500 Received: from masu.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by ium.ips.ras.ru (8.6.9/8.6.9) with UUCP id AAA16515 for info-russ@smarty.ece.jhu.edu; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 00:40:38 +0300 Received: by ium.ips.ras.ru (UUPC/@ v6.14g, 08Sep95) id AA22795; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 00:28:28 +0200 (EET) To: info-russ@smarty.ece.jhu.edu Message-Id: Organization: School N57 From: "Alexandr A. Suhanov" Date: Fri, 12 Jan 96 00:28:28 +0200 (EET) Subject: INFO-RUSS: Tragedija Kizljara (2) Status: RO --------------------------------------------------------------------- This is INFO-RUSS broadcast (1150+ subscribers). Home page, information, and archives: http://psi.ece.jhu.edu/~kaplan/IRUSS/inforuss.html To post, or to subscribe/unsubscribe, mail to info-russ@smarty.ece.jhu.edu INFO-RUSS is not responsible for the information supplied by its users or/and for their views. --------------------------------------------------------------------- Tragedija Kizljara (2) 11/01/1996 Hi folks! Kak i predpolagalos', boeviki iz gruppy Radueva bystro uvjali, otkazalis' ot vseh trebovanij politicheskogo haraktera, ostalis' tol'ko - vypustit' ih. V rezul'tate, zabrav 150 zalozhnikov, iz nih okolo 30 ili 50 zhenschin i detej i 8 vysshih dolzhnostnyh lic Dagestana (zam. spikera, neskol'ko ministrov i zamministrov), oni vyehali po shosse, iduschemu vdol' jugo-vostochnogo (pravogo) berega Tereka. Dva dnja nachal'niki izobrazhali uverennost' i krovozhadnost' (mol, vseh ub'em ljuboj cenoj), no E. ih rezko odernul. Formulirovka zasluzhivaet interesa: "El'cin ne Stalin, a Barsukov ne Berija". Vse proishodjaschee s kazhdym chasom delalos' vse zagadochnee. Suetlivoe i strannoe povedenie "Dudaevskogo zjatja" (na samom dele muzha trojurodnoj sestry), javnoe zhelanie ego i ego ljudej kak-to ostat'sja v zhivyh, predskazuemoe negodovanie dagestancev i drugih kavkazcev usugubljali neponimanie smysla i celej terakta. Dudaev s podozritel'noj bystrotoj priznal, chto neset polnuju otvetstvennost' za proishodjaschee - obychno on temnit i staraetsja ne govorit' nichego objazyvajuschego. Stoit otmetit', chto udar posledoval cherez dva dnja posle prikaza Mashadova prekratit' napadenija na rossijskie vojska - javnoj popytki esli ne predotvratit' neizbezhnoe i zaplanirovannoe russkoe nastuplenie, to hotja by vyigrat' propagandistskie ochki. Interesen etot parallelizm v podstavke "pervymi" svoih "delovyh pomoschnikov". Otstuplenie Radueva iz Kizljara imelo tozhe strannyj vid. 11 avtobusov i dva KAMAZa s boevikami (chislom okolo 100) i zalozhnikami mchalis' po doroge (do mosta cherez Terek na chechenskij bereg tam okolo 50 km po horoshej doroge), a vokrug kruzhili boevye vertolety i... postrelivali v storonu kolonny! Utverzhdaetsja, chto bylo popadanie v mashinu soprovozhdenija GAI Dagestana. Pod'ehav k reke, oni obnaruzhili, chto Shelkovskij most - vzorvan (vidimo, neskol'ko chasov nazad). Posle etogo kolonna rinulas' k raspolozhennoj v 7 km stanice Pervomajskoj, zahvatila blok-post Novosibirskogo OMONa na v'ezde v stanicu, dobavila k zalozhnikam 38 bojcov i okopalas' v chistom pole. Vokrug nachali stjagivat'sja tanki i drugie vojska. Ves' segodnjashnij den' shli peregovory, itogom kotoryh stalo soglashenie, chto boevikov propustjat v Chechnju, a oni osvobodjat zalozhnikov. Po rossijskoj versii, vseh i srazu, po raduevskoj - srazu tol'ko zhenschin i detej. Iz-za etogo nesovpadenija okonchatel'nogo reshenija ne bylo dostignuto. Boeviki zanjali vse selo i pereveli zalozhnikov v shkolu i mechet'. V poslednij moment postupili soobschenija, chto Raduev udovletvoritsja pis'mennymi garantijami i kakim-to minimumom zalozhnikov, a Rossija snjala zapret na proezd kolonny kruzhnym putem cherez Hasav'jurt. Tut nastupila noch'. Budem zhdat', chto prineset utro, i nadejat'sja. Ob ocenkah sobytij. O reakcii v Dagestane ja uzhe govoril. Vpervye eta akcija vyzvala neodobrenie i v Chechne - dovol'no massovoe. Osudil terakt prezident Ingushetii. Vosem' drugih liderov Severnogo Kavkaza vernopoddanicheski prosjat E. poskoree usmirit' Chechnju. V Rossii mnogie protivniki vojny - iz naibolee oficioznyh, vprochem - paralizovany strahom. Predpolagalos' massovoe otstupnichestvo podpisantov pod pis'mom protesta protiv prodolzhenija vojny, opublikovannym za paru dnej do sobytij. Odnako, po slovam avtora i koordinatora kampanii Julija Kima, naskol'ko emu izvestno, nikto iz 100 podpisantov ne snjal podpis' i ne izmenil svoej pozicii. Po nyneshnim vremenam eto uzhe muzhestvo, hotja i ne takoe _poka_, kak v 68-m. Bolee togo, analogichnoe pis'mo podpisali uzhe vchera 66 intelligentov iz Pitera, sredi nih akad. D.Lihachev. Lidery partij uklonjajutsja ot vystuplenij na etu temu, vtorye lica obychno vystupajut s pozicij "vojny do pobednogo konca". Iskljuchenie poka sostavil Javlinskij, vystupivshij s obychnym po soderzhaniju antimilitaristskim zajavleniem, no dovol'no vzvinchennym (vidimo, boitsja). V zajavlenii on ne preminul ukazat', chto terakt v Kizljare sootvetstvuet sokrovennym celjam Kremlja. Chto, verojatno, verno, no ne daet nikakogo kljucha k tajne - svjazany li eti fakty esche i prichinno. Alik From root Tue Jan 16 11:39:15 1996 >From INFO-RUSS-request@smarty.ece.jhu.edu Tue Jan 16 11:39:14 1996 Return-Path: Received: from smarty.ece.jhu.edu by psi.ece.jhu.edu with SMTP; Tue, 16 Jan 1996 11:39:14 -0500 Received: by smarty.ece.jhu.edu (5.61/1.18jrs) id AA11272; Tue, 16 Jan 96 08:46:02 -0500 Message-Id: <9601161346.AA11272@smarty.ece.jhu.edu> Errors-To: INFO-RUSS-request@smarty.ece.jhu.edu Sender: INFO-RUSS-request@smarty.ece.jhu.edu Precedence: bulk Received: from pulsar.ras.ru by smarty.ece.jhu.edu (5.61/1.18jrs) id AA04852; Tue, 9 Jan 96 14:51:27 -0500 Received: from masu.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by ium.ips.ras.ru (8.6.9/8.6.9) with UUCP id WAA07130 for info-russ@smarty.ece.jhu.edu; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 22:27:47 +0300 Received: by ium.ips.ras.ru (UUPC/@ v6.14g, 08Sep95) id AA22795; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 22:16:32 +0200 (EET) To: info-russ@smarty.ece.jhu.edu Organization: School N57 From: "Alexandr A. Suhanov" Date: Tue, 9 Jan 96 22:16:31 +0200 (EET) Subject: INFO-RUSS: Tragedija Kizl'ara - nekotorye detali Status: RO --------------------------------------------------------------------- This is INFO-RUSS broadcast (1150+ subscribers). Home page, information, and archives: http://psi.ece.jhu.edu/~kaplan/IRUSS/inforuss.html To post, or to subscribe/unsubscribe, mail to info-russ@smarty.ece.jhu.edu INFO-RUSS is not responsible for the information supplied by its users or/and for their views. --------------------------------------------------------------------- TRAGEDIJa KIZLJaRA - NEKOTORYE DETALI. 9/01/1996 Verojatno, kogda vy budete chitat' etot tekst, uzhe sovershitsja krovavaja razvjazka sobytij v dagestanskom gorode Kizljare, nachavshihsja v noch' na 9/01 zahvatom, tochno po Budennovskomu scenariju, bol'nicy i prilegajuschih zdanij gruppoj chechenskogo komandira Salmana Radueva. Hotja proishodjat peregovory s uchastiem starejshin Kizljara, oficial'nye sredstva informacii ne skryvajut, chto specnazu otdan prikaz o polnom unichtozhenii boevikov, uderzhivajuschih 3000 zalozhnikov, nevziraja na vozmozhnye poteri. Kizljar nahoditsja v del'te Tereka, primerno na 70 km na sever ot rajonov, v kotoryh dejstvuet chechenskoe Soprotivlenie. Otrjad Radueva (okolo 600 bojcov) proehal ne tol'ko cherez milicejskie posty (opjat'-taki pri pomoschi pred'javlenija universal'nyh propuskov zelenogo cveta), no i cherez dva posta pogranvojsk. Vmeste s tem, neskol'ko zagrazhdenij na shosse bylo razgromleno, ih zaschitniki soobschili o proishodjaschem dal'she - no eto pochemu-to ne vozymelo effekta. V Kizljare dislocirovany chasti pogranvojsk i tylovye podrazdelenija gruppirovki v Chechne, v tom chisle voennyj aerodrom. Vse eti sily ne tol'ko ne dali ser'eznogo otpora, no i okazalis' chastichno blokirovany. Ves' den' v gorode shli tjazhelye boi. "Strannosti" Po-vidimomu, na etot raz imelis' dovol'no tochnye razveddannye - prichem s ukazaniem imenno na Kizljar, i dovol'no tochnoj lokalizaciej vremeni napadenija. Segodnja ob etom ob'javila administracija "glavy chechenskoj respubliki" Zavgaeva, i voennye istochniki v Moskve eto podtverzhdajut. Odnako nikakih mer prinjato ne bylo, nevziraja dazhe na arest organami neskol'kih oficerov-pogranichnikov v etom rajone pri dostavke dudaevcam krupnoj partii oruzhija neskol'ko dnej nazad. Mesto napadenija. Otnoshenie dagestancev k Chechne - slozhnoe, hrupkaja simpatija ili terpimost' mogut legko smenit'sja vrazhdoj (avarskie i lakskie nacionalisticheskie dvizhenija uzhe prizyvajut k vozmezdiju). S tochki zrenija davlenija na russkoe obschestvennoe mnenie - tem bolee. Russkij obyvatel' ne razlichaet chechencev i dagestancev, i shoka, podobnogo budennovskomu, ne budet (pravda, sredi zalozhnikov vse zhe mnogo russkih). Salman Raduev - maloizvesten kak komandir (on - prefekt Gudermesa, no ne iz-za delovyh kachestv - on svojstvennik Dudaeva). Ego otrjad ne podchinjaetsja Aslanu Mashadovu. On dovol'no molod (let 28), ne slishkom umen, ne imeet boevogo opyta - v obschem, ne mozhet byt' postavlen rjadom s Shamilem Basaevym (kak k nemu ni otnosit'sja - krupnejshim voenachal'nikom). Tem bolee neponjatno, kak emu udalos' prorvat'sja v Kizljar. Otkliki i perspektivy Povodom dlja vyjavlenija pozicij moskovskih partij i klik stalo ne samo sobytie, a iduschaja iz Kremlja volna pokaznoj reshimosti. Liberaly (gajdarovcy) solidarizirovalis' s "reshitel'nym kursom" vlastej, mjagko napomniv o neodobrenii samoj vojny (kotoraja, vprochem, "ne izvinjaet prestupnyh dejstvij" boevikov). Kommunisty, pohozhe, sobirajutsja zanjat' poziciju "my zhe preduprezhdali", ozhidaja, chto prezident v ljubom sluchae proigraet - krovavaja operacija budet vygljadet' kak minimum uzhasno, a skorej vsego i neprofessional'no. Po-vidimomu, Kizljar - konec (ili gromadnaja pauza) v politicheskoj biografii Chernomyrdina. Krome togo, eto povod peresherstit' silovye struktury. Rezko vozrastaet rol' koordinatora operacii, shefa KGB Barsukova - cheloveka iz blizhajshego okruzhenija E. Pri etom nejasno, sdelana li rezhisserami dramy stavka na ocherednuju popytku perelomit' nastroenija v Rossii demonstrativnym projavleniem sily i spasti kar'eru E. ili u nih svoi, nezavisimye ot nego plany. Vo vsjakom sluchae, ochevidnyj rezul'tat kizljarskoj tragedii - rasshirenie konflikta i prevraschenie Kavkaza v zonu "vojny vseh protiv vseh", a zainteresovannye v etom est' i v Kremle, i v chechenskih gorah. Kstati, sredi voennyh ekspertov v Rossii proishodit sejchas zamechatel'noe "donashivanie kogda-to modnyh v Parizhe shljapok". V to vremja kak oni pochti horom prizyvajut "nakonec-to perenjat' reshitel'nuju poziciju zapadnyh pravitel'stv po otnosheniju k terroristam", pervaja reakcija izrail'skih i amerikanskih ekspertov po terroru, naskol'ko ja znaju, byla "bez politicheskih ustupok policejskie mery mogut byt' lish' lokal'no uspeshnymi, okonchatel'nyj uspeh daet politicheskij kompromiss". Eksperty zhe politicheskie (nashi) shodjatsja na tom, chto tragedija - chast' predvybornoj kampanii E., chto Chernomyrdin utoplen nadezhno, no chto E. tozhe mozhet ne vyigrat'. Dazhe vpolne "respektabel'nye" proiznosjat chto-to vrode "knopka, vyzvavshaja vzryv, pohozhe, nahoditsja v Kremle". Vash Alik From root Tue Jan 16 18:19:03 1996 >From INFO-RUSS-request@smarty.ece.jhu.edu Tue Jan 16 18:19:03 1996 Return-Path: Received: from smarty.ece.jhu.edu by psi.ece.jhu.edu with SMTP; Tue, 16 Jan 1996 18:19:02 -0500 Received: by smarty.ece.jhu.edu (5.61/1.18jrs) id AA12067; Tue, 16 Jan 96 15:04:09 -0500 Message-Id: <9601162004.AA12067@smarty.ece.jhu.edu> Errors-To: INFO-RUSS-request@smarty.ece.jhu.edu Sender: INFO-RUSS-request@smarty.ece.jhu.edu Precedence: bulk Received: from mail1.its.rpi.edu by smarty.ece.jhu.edu (5.61/1.18jrs) id AA05046; Tue, 9 Jan 96 16:56:16 -0500 Received: from [128.113.37.13] (fradkov.mat.rpi.edu [128.113.37.13]) by mail1.its.rpi.edu (8.6.9/8.6.4) with SMTP id QAA18170 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 16:56:08 -0500 Date: Tue, 9 Jan 1996 16:56:14 -0500 To: info-russ@smarty.ece.jhu.edu From: fradkv@rpi.edu (Valery E. Fradkov) Subject: INFO-RUSS: Letter to Moscow or Chernogolovka Status: R --------------------------------------------------------------------- This is INFO-RUSS broadcast (1150+ subscribers). Home page, information, and archives: http://psi.ece.jhu.edu/~kaplan/IRUSS/inforuss.html To post, or to subscribe/unsubscribe, mail to info-russ@smarty.ece.jhu.edu INFO-RUSS is not responsible for the information supplied by its users or/and for their views. --------------------------------------------------------------------- Status: OR Dear IR-Netters, I am looking for somebody who is going FROM Moscow TO New York or Boston shortly and can do me a favor and bring with him/her a small package with a Russian medicine for my friend's father-in-law (do not lough: some old people cannot get used to new for them miraculous American medications and still need good old familiar Russian ones...). Please reply directly to me. Thank you, Valery Fradkov fradkv@rpi.edu From root Tue Jan 16 18:39:31 1996 >From INFO-RUSS-request@smarty.ece.jhu.edu Tue Jan 16 18:39:30 1996 Return-Path: Received: from smarty.ece.jhu.edu by psi.ece.jhu.edu with SMTP; Tue, 16 Jan 1996 18:39:30 -0500 Received: by smarty.ece.jhu.edu (5.61/1.18jrs) id AA12061; Tue, 16 Jan 96 15:04:00 -0500 Message-Id: <9601162004.AA12061@smarty.ece.jhu.edu> Errors-To: INFO-RUSS-request@smarty.ece.jhu.edu Sender: INFO-RUSS-request@smarty.ece.jhu.edu Precedence: bulk Received: from legs.gps.caltech.edu by smarty.ece.jhu.edu (5.61/1.18jrs) id AA18915; Thu, 4 Jan 96 23:17:10 -0500 Received: by legs.gps.caltech.edu id AA28879 (5.65a/IDA-1.4.2.9 for info-russ@smarty.ece.jhu.edu); Thu, 4 Jan 96 20:18:28 PST Date: Thu, 4 Jan 1996 20:18:28 -0800 (PST) From: Julia Goreva To: info-russ@smarty.ece.jhu.edu Subject: INFO-RUSS: looking for friend Status: RO --------------------------------------------------------------------- This is INFO-RUSS broadcast (1150+ subscribers). Home page, information, and archives: http://psi.ece.jhu.edu/~kaplan/IRUSS/inforuss.html To post, or to subscribe/unsubscribe, mail to info-russ@smarty.ece.jhu.edu INFO-RUSS is not responsible for the information supplied by its users or/and for their views. --------------------------------------------------------------------- Hello everyone, Here is my problem: I am looking for my friend I lost touch with about 4 years ago. Her name is Tatiana Vol'pina (I am not sure in English spelling). She was my classmate and has to be 24 years old now. She and her family (father David, mather Yevgenia and younger sister Lubov') left Moscow in November 1991 (as far as I remember). They went to David's brother in New York. Unfortunately, I did not know their further plans. If you know anything about this family or you know the way how to find a person in America, please, reply me by phone or e-mail: I will be VERY, VERY appreciative. My home phone number: (818)792-3733. Thank you, -Yulya ****************** * Julia S. Goreva * Graduate Student * Division of Geological and Planetary Sciences * California Institute of Technology * (818)395-6135 (o) * julia@legs.caltech.edu From root Thu Jan 18 10:25:39 1996 >From INFO-RUSS-request@smarty.ece.jhu.edu Thu Jan 18 10:25:39 1996 Return-Path: Received: from smarty.ece.jhu.edu by psi.ece.jhu.edu with SMTP; Thu, 18 Jan 1996 10:25:38 -0500 Received: by smarty.ece.jhu.edu (5.61/1.18jrs) id AA29173; Thu, 18 Jan 96 08:37:29 -0500 Errors-To: INFO-RUSS-request@smarty.ece.jhu.edu Sender: INFO-RUSS-request@smarty.ece.jhu.edu Precedence: bulk Received: from pulsar.ras.ru by smarty.ece.jhu.edu (5.61/1.18jrs) id AA20964; Wed, 17 Jan 96 20:39:35 -0500 Received: from masu.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by ium.ips.ras.ru (8.6.9/8.6.9) with UUCP id DAA13698 for info-russ@smarty.ece.jhu.edu; Thu, 18 Jan 1996 03:00:11 +0300 Received: by ium.ips.ras.ru (UUPC/@ v6.14g, 08Sep95) id AA22984; Thu, 18 Jan 1996 02:55:02 +0200 (EET) To: info-russ@smarty.ece.jhu.edu Message-Id: Organization: School N57 From: "Alexandr A. Suhanov" Date: Thu, 18 Jan 96 02:55:02 +0200 (EET) X-Mailer: dMail (Demos Mail v1.11a) Subject: INFO-RUSS: Vlasti otkazalis' prinjat' zalozhnikov Lines: 114 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO --------------------------------------------------------------------- This is INFO-RUSS broadcast (1150+ subscribers). Home page, information, and archives: http://psi.ece.jhu.edu/~kaplan/IRUSS/inforuss.html To post, or to subscribe/unsubscribe, mail to info-russ@smarty.ece.jhu.edu INFO-RUSS is not responsible for the information supplied by its users or/and for their views. --------------------------------------------------------------------- Vlasti otkazalis' prinjat' zalozhnikov 17/01/1996 Boj v Pervomajske prodolzhaetsja. Segodnja voennye vlasti oficial'no ob'javili, chto snimajut s povestki dnja vopros o vyzhivanii zalozhnikov - vojskam prikazano ne prinimat' bol'she etot faktor v raschet. V opravdanie oni soslalis' na "dannye radioperehvatov" (opjat'!), soglasno kotorym, po odnoj versii, zalozhniki uzhe pogibli, a po drugoj, Raduev otdal prikaz ih rasstreljat'. Mezhdu tem chechency peredajut po radio iz Pervomajskogo obraschenija zalozhnikov s pros'bami spasti ih zhizni. V nastojaschee vremja oprovergnuty vse ranee delavshiesja zajavlenija FSK "po dannym radioperehvatov" o rasstrele zalozhnikov i starejshin pered nachalom shturma (kak ja i predpolagal). Po zajavleniju dudaevskogo ministra informacii Udugova, segodnja dnem Raduev obratilsja po radio k rossijskim vlastjam s predlozheniem OSVOBODIT' BEZ VSJaKIH USLOVIJ ZALOZhNIKOV - grazhdanskih lic, dlja chego prekratit' ogon' na vremja, neobhodimoe dlja ih vyhoda s belym flagom. Eto predlozhenie bylo otvergnuto "v neprilichnoj forme". Vsego, po uverenijam rossijskih vlastej, spaseno 21 (po drugoj versii 26) zalozhnikov iz 150. Vse oni izolirovany ot vneshnego mira, chtoby predotvratit' "effekt Budennovska", kogda rasskazy zalozhnikov ob obraschenii s nimi so storony terroristov i "spasatelej" sygrali plohuju propagandnuju rol'. Dlja davlenija na nih ispol'zujut massovoe vydvizhenie obvinenij v perehode na storonu vraga i dobrovol'noj sdache v plen (dlja voennosluzhaschih). Stoit otmetit', chto operacija v Pervomajskoj NIKOGDA ne nosila haraktera popytki osvobozhdenija zalozhnikov, no tol'ko segodnja eto priznano oficial'no. Nado skazat', chto v Dagestane proizoshla rezkaja smena nastroenij, i nenavist' k Dudaevu i chechencam smenilas' na jarost' protiv Rossii. Pri etom vysshie dolzhnostnye lica Dagestana (ministr nacional'nostej) otkryto obvinili rossijskie vlasti v predatel'stve zalozhnikov i Dagestana. Im podtverzhdeno napadenie federalov na kolonnu s zalozhnikami, v kotoroj on sostojal, u Shelkovskogo mosta (7 km ot Pervomajskogo). Inoj harakter imeet evoljucija obschestvennogo mnenija v sobstvenno Rossii. Dlja massovoj mental'nosti russkih neharakterno sochuvstvie zalozhnikam (etnicheski blizkim k chechencam avarcam), a nachalo operacii v ponedel'nik utrom bylo vosprinjato kak znak probuzhdenija "derzhavy" ot letargii (hotja vsem bylo ochevidno, chto zalozhniki, skoree vsego, ee ne perezhivut). Telefonnyj ekspress-opros v Moskve dal dnem v ponedel'nik podderzhku operacii v proporcii 44 : 36. Na izmenenie ocenki situacii etoj chast'ju naselenija povlijaet, verojatno, ne gibel' mirnyh ljudej i plennyh, a pozornoe s voennoj tochki zrenija provedenie operacii. Chut' bolee 100 chechencev iz raznosherstnogo otrjada troe sutok otbivajut ataki tysjach soldat, vooruzhennyh artilleriej (v tom chisle "Gradami"), desjatkom vertoletov, bronetehnikoj, soldat iz superelitnyh vojsk - kak armii, tak i specnazov "Al'fa" i "Vitjaz'". Ochevidnaja nelepost' pobednyh reljacij (selo bylo "pochti polnost'ju zanjato" uzhe vecherom v ponedel'nik, i potom ego "zanimali" snova i snova) zastavljaet bolee doverjat' chechenskim istochnikam i po voprosu o poterjah - a oni govorjat o bolee chem 200 ubityh s rossijskoj storony. Stav na pozicii poklonnikov "sily i tverdosti", RAVNO OTVLEKAJaS' ot amoral'noj i prestupnoj suti kak chechenskogo rejda na bol'nicu, tak i russkogo rasstrela zalozhnikov, my vidim v Pervomajskom ocherednoe pozornoe voennoe porazhenie el'cinskoj Rossii. Vse eto tem bolee primechatel'no, chto akcija javno byla predprinjata v kachestve udarnogo nachala predvybornoj kampanii BNE. Nedarom imenno v ee razgar rasporjazheniem E. byl obrazovan Shtab prezidentskoj predvybornoj kampanii. I snachala eto bylo sdelano dazhe gramotno. El'cin spustil s cepi voennyh i "publicistov", a sam vystupil oplotom mira i spasenija zalozhnikov. V to zhe vremja davalos' ponjat' (dazhe v uscherb shansam na spasenie zalozhnikov), chto srazu posle osvobozhdenija ljudej Radueva unichtozhat, a Chechnju podvergnut kollektivnomu vozmezdiju. Vse eto moglo srabotat', no vmesto etogo plana (kotoryj mozhno bylo osuschestvit' dazhe posle vzryva Shelkovskogo mosta) byl predprinjat shturm. Moja versija - u vlastej NA SAMOM DELE NET nikakih "antiterroristicheskih formirovanij", i oni byli uvereny, chto terroristy uskol'znut. No E. sovershil esche odnu, sovsem strannuju oshibku. V ponedel'nik, vystupaja (okolo 15 chasov dnja) po TV, on zajavil, chto operacija okonchitsja uzhe segodnja, chto ona "velikolepno podgotovlena", posle chego, okonchatel'no vpav v detstvo, vodil rukami, pokazyvaja, kak snajpery vodjat dulom vsled chechencam ("38, ponimaesh', odnih snajperov tam"), i kak zigzagami razbegajutsja vrassypnuju zalozhniki ot terroristov pod prikrytiem dymovoj zavesy. Pri etom, sudja po vsemu, p'jan ne byl. Ja vizhu tol'ko odno ob'jasnenie - u nas demokratija, i chekisty POTChUJuT PREZIDENTA TOJ ZhE PROPAGANDOJ, chto i naselenie. A on ej verit. Vokrug etogo cheloveka, pohozhe, nam cherez polgoda predlozhat splotit'sja... Propaganda, kstati - trevozhnyj simptom. Zhurnalisty vorchat na blokadu i izoljaciju, no ispravno gonjat v efir razrabotki COS FSK, pochti nikogda ne upominaja, chto rech' idet o dannyh, ne proverennyh nezavisimo. Soglasie telezhurnalistov na cenzuru pri pokaze zalozhnikov, o chem ja pisal v proshlom pis'me - v tom chisle zhurnalistov NTV, pritom na cenzuru ChISTO POLITIChESKUJu, bez vsjakih soobrazhenij bezopasnosti - vpechatljaet i pugaet. Vprochem, kogda rech' idet ne o Pervomajske, cenzura i tendencioznost' ne tak sil'ny. Narjadu s soobschenijami o novyh [pro]chechenskih teraktah (v Groznom i v Turcii) nashi gazety publikujut fotografii i soobschenija o novyh naletah rossijskoj aviacii na naselennye punkty Chechni, v tom chisle o bombezhke Groznogo (!). A v obschem, vybory prezidenta - delo ser'eznoe, eto vam ne vojna kakaja-to. Vash Alik From root Sat Jan 20 13:18:05 1996 >From INFO-RUSS-request@smarty.ece.jhu.edu Sat Jan 20 13:18:04 1996 Return-Path: Received: from smarty.ece.jhu.edu by psi.ece.jhu.edu with SMTP; Sat, 20 Jan 1996 13:18:02 -0500 Received: by smarty.ece.jhu.edu (5.61/1.18jrs) id AA17867; Sat, 20 Jan 96 12:46:00 -0500 Message-Id: <9601201746.AA17867@smarty.ece.jhu.edu> Errors-To: INFO-RUSS-request@smarty.ece.jhu.edu Sender: INFO-RUSS-request@smarty.ece.jhu.edu Precedence: bulk Received: from mail02.mail.aol.com by smarty.ece.jhu.edu (5.61/1.18jrs) id AA09168; Fri, 19 Jan 96 16:40:04 -0500 Received: by mail02.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id QAA29191 for info-russ@smarty.ece.jhu.edu; Fri, 19 Jan 1996 16:39:57 -0500 Date: Fri, 19 Jan 1996 16:39:57 -0500 From: LazarPo@aol.com To: info-russ@smarty.ece.jhu.edu Subject: INFO-RUSS: A Post Status: RO --------------------------------------------------------------------- This is INFO-RUSS broadcast (1150+ subscribers). 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From root Sat Jan 20 16:47:59 1996 >From INFO-RUSS-request@smarty.ece.jhu.edu Sat Jan 20 16:47:59 1996 Return-Path: Received: from smarty.ece.jhu.edu by psi.ece.jhu.edu with SMTP; Sat, 20 Jan 1996 16:47:58 -0500 Received: by smarty.ece.jhu.edu (5.61/1.18jrs) id AA17873; Sat, 20 Jan 96 12:46:09 -0500 Errors-To: INFO-RUSS-request@smarty.ece.jhu.edu Sender: INFO-RUSS-request@smarty.ece.jhu.edu Precedence: bulk Received: from [194.85.218.11] by smarty.ece.jhu.edu (5.61/1.18jrs) id AA09447; Fri, 19 Jan 96 17:41:00 -0500 Received: from masu.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by ium.ips.ras.ru (8.6.9/8.6.9) with UUCP id BAA03191 for info-russ@smarty.ece.jhu.edu; Sat, 20 Jan 1996 01:41:11 +0300 Received: by ium.ips.ras.ru (UUPC/@ v6.14g, 08Sep95) id AA24224; Sat, 20 Jan 1996 01:38:03 +0200 (EET) To: info-russ@smarty.ece.jhu.edu Message-Id: Organization: School N57 From: "Alexandr A. Suhanov" Date: Sat, 20 Jan 96 01:38:02 +0200 (EET) X-Mailer: dMail (Demos Mail v1.11a) Subject: INFO-RUSS: "Razgrom" Status: RO --------------------------------------------------------------------- This is INFO-RUSS broadcast (1150+ subscribers). Home page, information, and archives: http://psi.ece.jhu.edu/~kaplan/IRUSS/inforuss.html To post, or to subscribe/unsubscribe, mail to info-russ@smarty.ece.jhu.edu INFO-RUSS is not responsible for the information supplied by its users or/and for their views. --------------------------------------------------------------------- "Razgrom" 19/01/1996 Segodnja g-n E, esche ne znaja ob uspeshnom osvobozhdenii turkami vseh zalozhnikov s paroma "Avrazija", pozhuril tureckie vlasti za neaktivnost' i skazal, chto sily Chernomorskogo flota nagotove (vidimo, nanosit' po paromu aviacionnye i artillerijskie udary). On takzhe posetoval na nedostatok v gruppirovke flota podvodnyh lodok dlja etoj operacii. Zagadka: kto poluchitsja, esli otnjat' u Zhirinovskogo ostroumie i blesk, a ostavit' tol'ko tupost' i brutal'nost'? Korrespondent "Izvestij" Valerij Jakov, neskol'ko dnej chislivshijsja propavshim, kak okazalos', probralsja v stanicu i vyshel ottuda pered samym shturmom. On dostavil interesnye videomaterialy i vnov' podtverdil smehotvornost' zajavlenij E. o dudaevskoj baze v Pervomajskoj. Takzhe zalozhnik Arkadij Dubinenko iz Kizljarskoj bol'nicy oproverg kakie-libo rasstrely zalozhnikov i podtverdil, chto prorvavshijsja otrjad Radueva uvel s soboj pochti vseh milicionerov i neskol'ko desjatkov drugih muzhchin, i to, chto vecherom v sredu Raduev pytalsja dobit'sja vyhoda iz sela osvobozhdennyh im zalozhnikov. Sejchas selo plotno zakryto dlja zhurnalistov, v nem "navodjat porjadok" chekisty. Ob'javleno, chto ubito 150 boevikov i ni odnogo zalozhnika, chto absoljutno nepravdopodobno. Kakim obrazom vlasti sobirajutsja obosnovyvat' etu lozh', vidno iz putanogo zajavlenija E, chto "my sperva dumali, ChTO TAM BOL'ShE ZALOZhNIKOV, no tam okazalis' raby terroristov, chislom okolo 60, vot ih okazalos' i men'she". Takim obrazom, gotovitsja pochva dlja ob'javlenija vseh trupov, najdennyh v sele, trupami terroristov, nezavisimo ot rezul'tatov opoznanija (ih men'she 150, no est' trupy v plavnjah i na pole mezhdu selom i plavnjami, gde shel boj v noch' na chetverg). Baza podgotovlena takzhe neodnokratnymi zajavlenijami, chto sredi terroristov "dovol'no mnogo zhenschin" (verojatno, skazhut, chto i detej). Po zajavleniju Aslana Mashadova, on ne planiroval i ne odobrjal operaciju v Kizljare, no prinjal na sebja komandovanie operaciej po proryvu blokady Pervomajskoj izvne. Po ego slovam, vo vneshnem (osnovnom - na soedinenie i otvlekajuschih udarah) uchastvovalo 400 bojcov. "Operacija po deblokade proshla uspeshno, otrjad Radueva s bol'shoj gruppoj zalozhnikov nahoditsja sejchas v gorah". Po ego slovam, v otrjade Radueva bylo 250 bojcov, zalozhnikov bylo 200. Do nochi na chetverg pogiblo 17 chechencev i 15 zalozhnikov, dal'nejshie poteri esche ne ustanovleny. On dobavil, chto prikaz na proryv byl dan tol'ko posle togo, kak vlasti ob'javili, chto "zalozhnikov bol'she net v zhivyh" (eto bylo v sredu), i stalo jasno, chto selo smetut shkval'nym ognem. Ne doverjaja osobenno ego ocenke poter' (na kotoroj on i ne nastaivaet), ja sklonen doverjat' privodimym im cifram nachal'noj chislennosti, i oni prolivajut svet na to, chto na samom dele proizoshlo v Pervomajskoj. Kogda i esli El'cin budet pisat' memuary, ja posovetuju emu nazvat' ih - "Razgrom". Vash Alik From root Sat Jan 20 16:58:36 1996 >From INFO-RUSS-request@smarty.ece.jhu.edu Sat Jan 20 16:58:36 1996 Return-Path: Received: from smarty.ece.jhu.edu by psi.ece.jhu.edu with SMTP; Sat, 20 Jan 1996 16:58:35 -0500 Received: by smarty.ece.jhu.edu (5.61/1.18jrs) id AA17861; Sat, 20 Jan 96 12:45:54 -0500 Message-Id: <9601201745.AA17861@smarty.ece.jhu.edu> Errors-To: INFO-RUSS-request@smarty.ece.jhu.edu Sender: INFO-RUSS-request@smarty.ece.jhu.edu Precedence: bulk Received: from gatekeeper2.mcimail.com by smarty.ece.jhu.edu (5.61/1.18jrs) id AA00148; Thu, 18 Jan 96 19:41:16 -0500 Received: from mailgate2.mcimail.com (mailgate2.mcimail.com [166.38.40.100]) by gatekeeper2.mcimail.com (8.6.12/8.6.10) with SMTP id AAA02683; Fri, 19 Jan 1996 00:43:00 GMT Received: from mcimail.com by mailgate2.mcimail.com id aa24434; 19 Jan 96 0:41 WET Date: Thu, 18 Jan 96 19:40 EST From: The Union of Councils for Soviet Jews <0004201773@mcimail.com> To: Friend Subject: INFO-RUSS: UCSJ Action: Orel Status: RO --------------------------------------------------------------------- This is INFO-RUSS broadcast (1150+ subscribers). Home page, information, and archives: http://psi.ece.jhu.edu/~kaplan/IRUSS/inforuss.html To post, or to subscribe/unsubscribe, mail to info-russ@smarty.ece.jhu.edu INFO-RUSS is not responsible for the information supplied by its users or/and for their views. --------------------------------------------------------------------- Forwarded message #1 Date: Thu Jan 18, 1996 7:35 pm EST From: The Union of Councils for Soviet Jews / MCI ID: 420-1773 ACTION ALERT To: Concerned Parties Fr: Pamela Cohen, UCSJ National President; Micah Naftalin, UCSJ National Director Dt: January 17, 1996 Re: NEO-NAZIS BESIEGE JEWISH MEETING IN OREL, RUSSIA: MAYOR, MILITIA DENY THREATS TO JEWS Jewish activists from the city of Orel in Central Russia, and the Russian newspaper "Express Chronicle," have reported that the anti-Semitic paramilitary group Russian National Unity (RNU) attempted to disrupt a meeting of Jewish leaders, and that the local police officials refused to intervene on behalf of the Jewish community. Below you will find an urgent request for action from the Orel Jewish activists, and background information on the incident. ACTION REQUESTED Activists in Orel urgently request that letters protesting the absence of official condemnation be sent to the mayor of Orel. They urge also that copies of letters be sent to the UCSJ to be forwarded to them in Orel. Without such confirmation, the mayor will deny having received any protests. Please send your letter to: Please send your copy to: (postage 60 cents) Union of Councils The Honorable A.G. Kislakov 1819 H St., NW, Suite 230 Mayor of Orel Washington, DC 20006 Ul. Proletarskaya Gora d.1 (202) 775-9770; (202) 775-9776 fax Orel, Russia 302000 email: 4201773@mcimail.com BACKGROUND Members of the anti-semitic, right-wing paramilitary group, "Russian National Unity" (RNU) tried to disrupt a meeting between the Jewish community of Orel, Russia and a representative of the Jewish Agency of Israel (Sochnut), according to Express-Chronicle and confirmed by activists in Orel. A notice of the January 14th meeting appeared in Orel's regional newspaper. About 20 supporters of Alexander Barkashov, the national leader of the far-right RNU, in military uniforms with armbands and banners bearing red swastikas, gathered across from the Philharmonic hall where the Sochnut meeting was being held. They sold copies of their Moscow-published paper, "Russian Order" and called out "Death to Jews." Leonid Volovik, the head of the Jewish Community, called the militia who upon arrival said the "did not see any disruption of the public order." When asked whether the call to kill Jews is not a violation of the public order, they denied hearing it. At a press briefing on the following day, Alexei Kondratkenko of the Department of Press Service of the City Government said they knew nothing of the event. Although the local state television station did not broadcast the demonstration itself, it covered a report of the press briefing. About 3000 Jews comprise the Jewish community in Orel. Orel activist Semen Livshits has charged previously that the community has experienced anti-semitism in its attempts to regain the synagogue building confiscated during the Soviet era. Dmitrii Fattakhov Action Alert: Update: We have received word that the health of Dmitrii Fattakhov (the young Uzbek Jew falsely imprisoned for murder) is deteriorating rapidly. UCSJ is requesting urgent phone calls to Uzbek officials urging that they use their offices to release Dmitrii to Israel for treatment. If you are unfamiliar with this case and require information, please contact the Union of Councils for Soviet Jews by e-mail. 4201773@mcimail.com From root Sat Jan 20 17:13:03 1996 >From INFO-RUSS-request@smarty.ece.jhu.edu Sat Jan 20 17:13:02 1996 Return-Path: Received: from smarty.ece.jhu.edu by psi.ece.jhu.edu with SMTP; Sat, 20 Jan 1996 17:13:02 -0500 Received: by smarty.ece.jhu.edu (5.61/1.18jrs) id AA17855; Sat, 20 Jan 96 12:45:50 -0500 Errors-To: INFO-RUSS-request@smarty.ece.jhu.edu Sender: INFO-RUSS-request@smarty.ece.jhu.edu Precedence: bulk Received: from pulsar.ras.ru by smarty.ece.jhu.edu (5.61/1.18jrs) id AA29897; Thu, 18 Jan 96 16:39:24 -0500 Received: from masu.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by ium.ips.ras.ru (8.6.9/8.6.9) with UUCP id WAA17731 for info-russ@smarty.ece.jhu.edu; Thu, 18 Jan 1996 22:28:53 +0300 Received: by ium.ips.ras.ru (UUPC/@ v6.14g, 08Sep95) id AA22829; Thu, 18 Jan 1996 22:22:44 +0200 (EET) To: info-russ@smarty.ece.jhu.edu Message-Id: Organization: School N57 From: "Alexandr A. Suhanov" Date: Thu, 18 Jan 96 22:22:43 +0200 (EET) Subject: INFO-RUSS: "Chizhika s'jel" Status: RO --------------------------------------------------------------------- This is INFO-RUSS broadcast (1150+ subscribers). Home page, information, and archives: http://psi.ece.jhu.edu/~kaplan/IRUSS/inforuss.html To post, or to subscribe/unsubscribe, mail to info-russ@smarty.ece.jhu.edu INFO-RUSS is not responsible for the information supplied by its users or/and for their views. --------------------------------------------------------------------- "Chizhika s'el" Hi folks! 17/01/1995 Vlasti ob'javili, chto operacija po unichtozheniju terroristov v Pervomajskoj zavershena. V vechernih sumerkah esche slyshny pulemetnye ocheredi v storone pojmennogo lesa (v neskol'kih sotnjah metrov ot okolicy), no v sele uzhe pobyvali neskol'ko doverennyh zhurnalistov. Teleprodukcija, kotoruju im bylo pozvoleno pustit' v efir, ischisljaetsja primerno 15 sekundami - jamy s trupami. ZALOZhNIKI: vlasti oficial'no ob'javili, chto: "okolo 80-90 (TAK!!!) zalozhnikov osvobozhdeny za eti 4 dnja" "sud'ba 18 neizvestna, oni, vidimo, pogibli i zaryty dudaevcami - ni odnogo trupa ne obnaruzheno", "takim obrazom, iz 100 zalozhnikov spaseno podavljajuschee bol'shinstvo". Kak izvestno, iz Kizljara bylo vyvezeno okolo 130 zalozhnikov, na blokpostu Novosibirskogo OMONa v Pervomajskoj bylo zahvacheno 36, v sele na moment nachala ego blokady ostavalos' neskol'ko desjatkov zhitelej. Arifmetika ne shoditsja. Chto kasaetsja neopredelennogo chisla "osvobozhdennyh", to dostoverno izvestno tol'ko, chto na fil'tropunkte (konclagere) soderzhitsja 35 zalozhnikov i dva plennyh chechenca, esche neskol'ko ( no sovsem nemnogo) zalozhnikov osvobozhdeny i dal'she s nimi "rabotaet" prokuratura i FSB Kizljara. Rabota sostoit v tom, chto ih "ubezhdajut" davat' presse razrabotannye vlastjami versii sobytij, ugrozhaja vozbuzhdeniem ugolovnogo dela za "posobnichestvo vragu". Tem ne menee, NI ODIN ASPEKT OFICIAL'NOJ VERSII sobytij ni odnim zalozhnikom ne podtverzhden. Oni otricajut, v chastnosti, soobschenija o rasstrele zalozhnikov. A soobschenie FSB, citirovannoe i E, o rasstrele dagestanskih starejshin, v zajavlenii dagestanskogo pravitel'stva nazvano "provokacionnym". My podhodim k samomu sensacionnomu aspektu etoj grjaznoj istorii: provalilas' ne tol'ko operacija po osvobozhdeniju zalozhnikov (a ona i ne planirovalas'), no i operacija po unichtozheniju boevikov. Noch'ju i rano utrom znachitel'naja chast' otrjada Radueva, v tom chisle, vozmozhno, i sam etot demonicheskij personazh, prorvali "trojnoe kol'co okruzhenija" v raznyh mestah i s boem vyrvalis' k Tereku. Pereplyv Terek na zagotovlennyh soplemennikami lodkah, oni skrylis', uvedja s soboj chast' zalozhnikov - ne menee 5, mozhet byt', do 29 OMONovcev. Krome togo, odnoj iz grupp byli uvedeny nekotorye zalozhniki - grazhdanskie muzhchiny (kak tjaglovaja sila) i otpuscheny na dagestanskom beregu. Ot nih (tak kak nekotorym iz nih udalos' uvidet'sja s oficioznymi zhurnalistami do popadanija v konclager') my znaem o hode proryva etoj gruppy. Vse ostal'nye zalozhniki byli osvobozhdeny i samostojatel'no iskali spasenija ot zhestokogo artognja v ostavlennyh chechencami bunkere i okopah. El'cin (ja, kazhetsja, esche polgoda dolzhen dobavljat' "g-n Prezident?") zajavil, chto "neozhidannaja dlja nas prodolzhitel'nost' tol'ko chto UDAChNO (tak!) zakonchennoj operacii svjazana s tem, chto tam okazalsja opornyj punkt Dudaeva - celyj podzemnyj gorod, katakomby, tunneli, bunkera, ubezhischa". Vysheupomjanutye oficioznye zhurnalisty, dopuschennye segodnja vlastjami v Pervomajskuju, ne sderzhali ulybki, kogda ih poprosili otkommentirovat' eti slova. "Tam est' bunker blokposta, a krome etogo - obychnaja sistema transhej, otrytyh lopatoj v lessovom grunte za nedelju", - byl otvet. Pervaja reakcija v Dagestane, na Kavkaze i v armii - beshenstvo. V Dagestane - jarost' porovnu na chechencev i Moskvu, v armii - na chechencev i El'cina. Esli s tochki zrenija unichtozhenija Chechni El'cin udachno prodolzhil iniciativu Radueva po pod'emu obschego urovnja ozverenija, to ego sobstvennye plany, pohozhe, ne vygoreli. Dazhe esli predpolozhit', chto russkij narod teper' bol'she vsego ljubit zlodeev (a imenno eto g-n E. polozhil v osnovu svoej prezidentskoj kampanii), to on ljubit zlodeev UDAChLIVYH. A nash gradonachal'nik ocherednoj raz "chizhika s'el". Iz-za tragicheskoj obstanovki ja pozvolju sebe tol'ko nebol'shoj politicheskij kommentarij. Naskol'ko ja ponimaju, plan E. sostoit v tom, chtoby maksimal'no oslabljat' vse vozmozhnye "zapadnicheskie", "demokraticheskie" ili "pragmaticheskie" sily. Pri etom usilenie i konsolidacija kommunisticheskogo ili nacionalisticheskogo lagerja hotja i ne privetstvuetsja, no schitaetsja neizbezhnym zlom. Naprimer, podogrevanie voennoj i rasistskoj isterii vokrug Kavkaza podryvaet pozicii "demokratov" (javlincev i ostatkov gajdarovcev), a takzhe diskreditiruet arhitektorov prezhnej razrjadki naprjazhennosti s Chechnej (Chernomyrdina i Vol'skogo). Takim obrazom, E. hochet obespechit', chtoby v pervom ture on odin predstavljal "antikommunisticheskuju Rossiju". Togda vo vtoroj tur s ogromnym perevesom projdet (uslovnyj) Zjuganov i, kak predpolagaetsja, E. Eto, konechno, esli udastsja reshit' problemu Lebedja, no predpolagaetsja, chto ego utihomirjat, kak Javlinskogo i Chernomyrdina. Zhirinovskij problemy ne predstavljaet - on budet rabotat' pod kontrolem, otnimat' golosa u Zjuganova (chtoby on ne pobedil srazu v pervom ture), a esli vdrug okazhetsja, chto za nego sobirajutsja golosovat' bol'she, chem za E, snimet kandidaturu. Vo vtorom ture za E. dolzhny golosovat' vse, kto boitsja vozvrata k kommunizmu, a esli etogo vse zhe budet nedostatochno, rezul'taty vyborov budut annulirovany pri blagosklonnom, kak predpolagaetsja, otnoshenii Zapada. Otsjuda i beretsja eta destruktivnaja taktika E. v poslednie mesjacy do 16 ijunja - on mozhet ostat'sja u vlasti tol'ko na ruinah Rossii, v malo-mal'ski spokojnoj obstanovke emu nichego ne svetit. Vprochem, ja dumaju i nadejus', chto vse ravno ne svetit. Vash Alik From root Wed Jan 24 13:43:49 1996 >From sasha@psi.ece.jhu.edu Wed Jan 24 13:43:48 1996 Return-Path: Received: from super.ece.jhu.edu by psi.ece.jhu.edu with SMTP; Wed, 24 Jan 1996 13:43:47 -0500 Sender: sasha@psi.ece.jhu.edu Received: by super.ece.jhu.edu (5.61/1.18jrs) id AA25410; Wed, 24 Jan 96 13:45:52 -0500 Message-Id: <9601241845.AA25410@super.ece.jhu.edu> From: sasha@super.ece.jhu.edu (Alexander Kaplan) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 96 13:45:50 EST X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (6.5.6 6/30/89) To: kaplan@psi.ece.jhu.edu Status: R >From INFO-RUSS-request@smarty.ece.jhu.edu Sun Jan 21 11:46:00 EST 1996 Errors-To: INFO-RUSS-request@smarty.ece.jhu.edu Sender: INFO-RUSS-request@smarty.ece.jhu.edu Precedence: bulk From: Subject: INFO-RUSS: the loosers are little guys, as usual... To: info-russ@smarty.ece.jhu.edu Date: Sun, 21 Jan 96 17:45:51 MEZ --------------------------------------------------------------------- This is INFO-RUSS broadcast (1150+ subscribers). Home page, information, and archives: http://psi.ece.jhu.edu/~kaplan/IRUSS/inforuss.html To post, or to subscribe/unsubscribe, mail to info-russ@smarty.ece.jhu.edu INFO-RUSS is not responsible for the information supplied by its users or/and for their views. --------------------------------------------------------------------- Reuter Sunday January 21 10:12 AM EST Chechen Rebels Mock Moscow Over Village Attack MOSCOW (Reuter) - A Chechen rebel who escaped a four-day bombardment by Russian forces of the village of Pervomaiskoye ridiculed Moscow from his base in Chechnya as stunned villagers pondered the wreckage of their homes. Russian officials defended their full-scale military action against the Chechen rebels, pledging on Saturday to be just as ruthless in dealing with any repeated hostage seizure. But a report from one of the rebels at large in Chechnya that he and many of his fellows had got out of Pervomiaskoye unscathed undermined the tough message coming from Moscow. ``Terrorism would inevitably escalate in the north Caucasus if the rebel action were not decisively stopped,'' Federal Security Service chief Mikhail Barsukov told a news conference. ``We will ruthlessly put down any such rebel action,'' added Interior Minister Anatoly Kulikov. Seven corpses, including those of at least two of the hostages seized by the rebels, lay in the frozen, muddy streets of Pervomaiskoye on Saturday, testifying to the ruthlessness of the Russian assault. Hungry animals snuffled among the wreckage while villagers shocked by the ruins of their 300 houses salvaged what they could, silently carrying out heaps of belongings in blankets. Moscow, which called its attack on the village ``an operation to free the hostages,'' said most of them got out alive. But Chechen rebel commander Shamil Basayev told Reuters that two were killed by a Russian rocket and nine died in a hail of Russian bullets as they tried to leave the village under a white flag. Maksud Ingulbayev, one of the Chechens who had been in Pervomaiskoye, said all the leaders of the ``Lone Wolf'' band had escaped and taken more than 20 hostages with them. Ingulbayev gave a scathing account of the Russian operation to overcome him and his fellow rebels, who seized weapons and hostages in the southern Russian republic of Dagestan and were on their way back to Chechnya when they were surrounded. ``There was no coordination between aviation, artillery and other forces,'' he said. From root Wed Jan 24 13:43:58 1996 >From sasha@psi.ece.jhu.edu Wed Jan 24 13:43:58 1996 Return-Path: Received: from super.ece.jhu.edu by psi.ece.jhu.edu with SMTP; Wed, 24 Jan 1996 13:43:57 -0500 Sender: sasha@psi.ece.jhu.edu Received: by super.ece.jhu.edu (5.61/1.18jrs) id AA25417; Wed, 24 Jan 96 13:46:02 -0500 Message-Id: <9601241846.AA25417@super.ece.jhu.edu> From: sasha@super.ece.jhu.edu (Alexander Kaplan) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 96 13:46:01 EST X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (6.5.6 6/30/89) To: kaplan@psi.ece.jhu.edu Status: R >From INFO-RUSS-request@smarty.ece.jhu.edu Wed Jan 24 06:00:23 EST 1996 Errors-To: INFO-RUSS-request@smarty.ece.jhu.edu Sender: INFO-RUSS-request@smarty.ece.jhu.edu Precedence: bulk To: info-russ@smarty.ece.jhu.edu Organization: sch57 From: "Alexandr A. Suhanov" Date: Wed, 24 Jan 1996 01:01:15 +0200 (EET) Subject: INFO-RUSS: Kizl'ar-Pervomajskaja - predvaritel'nye itogi --------------------------------------------------------------------- This is INFO-RUSS broadcast (1150+ subscribers). Home page, information, and archives: http://psi.ece.jhu.edu/~kaplan/IRUSS/inforuss.html To post, or to subscribe/unsubscribe, mail to info-russ@smarty.ece.jhu.edu INFO-RUSS is not responsible for the information supplied by its users or/and for their views. --------------------------------------------------------------------- KIZLJaR - PERVOMAJSKAJa: PREDVARITEL'NYE ITOGI Hi folks! 23/01/1996 Zagolovok etogo pis'ma zvuchit "naukoobrazno", no na samom dele eto - konglomerat vpechatlenij, esche tolkom ne "upakovavshihsja". Odnako, koe-chto, po-moemu, uzhe mozhno pochuvstvovat'. Press-konferencija v Novogroznenskom Segodnja pri skoplenii bol'shogo chisla zhurnalistov v sele Novogroznenskom (kak ja ponimaju, Gudermesskogo rajona - na moej pjatikilometrovke ego net; sudja po kadram TV, eto tipichnoe ravninno-predgornoe selenie) sostojalas' press-konferencija liderov Chechni-Ichkerii. K sozhaleniju, tol'ko press-konferencija, a ne namechennoe na segodnja osvobozhdenie zalozhnikov - grazhdanskih lic. Predpolozhitel'no, ih osvobodjat zavtra (tochnee, kak utverzhdali chechency, dostavjat v Novogroznenskoe i peresadjat v avtobusy Dagestanskogo pravitel'stva - zhelajuschie uehat' svoim hodom vol'ny delat' eto uzhe segodnja, no zhelajuschih, po ponjatnym prichinam, net). Vsego Raduevym uvedeno v Chechnju 86 zalozhnikov i plennyh, oni nahodjatsja v neskol'kih gornyh selah kilometrah v 20. Neskol'ko desjatkov zalozhnikov takzhe vyshli cherez proryv okruzhenija, no na beregu Tereka otkazalis' perepravljat'sja, sochtja, chto ih zhizn' uzhe ne podvergaetsja opasnosti ot federal'nyh vojsk. Vidimo, imenno oni i sostavili raznicu mezhdu 26 zalozhnikami, "osvobozhdennymi" federalami na moment ob'javlenija "bol'she nikogo net v zhivyh", i okonchatel'noj cifroj 82. Ja vzjal v kavychki slovo "osvobozhdennymi", potomu chto bol'shaja chast' iz etih 26 byli libo otpuscheny do nachala shturma, libo otkomandirovany na peregovory (ob odnoj takoj istorii - nizhe). Na press-konferencii vystupili troe OMONovcev-plennyh i troe zalozhnikov iz Kizljara. Oni bolee ili menee podtverdili kartinu boja, sostavlennuju po dannym chechenskoj storony. Vse oni znajut, chto po vozvraschenii ih zhdet rassledovanie ih povedenija i obvinenija v posobnichestve (ryli okopy - kotorye TOL'KO I SPASLI IM ZhIZN', vo vremja proryva okruzhenija nesli nosilki s ranenymi chechencami), no s bezgranichnym optimizmom ubezhdeny, chto, tak skazat', "Rodina vse prostit". Oj li? Raduev - chechenskij Grachev V kuluarah glavnye chechenskie komandiry rezko otzyvalis' o "dudaevskom zjate". Shamil' Basaev skazal, chto pohod na Kizljar byl pozornym balaganom, chto esli kto-to hochet stat' "vtorym Basaevym", on ustupit etu chest' za tak. Po ego slovam, Raduev staraetsja vydvinut'sja i zavoevat' uvazhenie zemljakov, kotorye uporno ne hotjat schitat' ego geroem i komandirom, a schitajut "zjatem". V Kizljarskuju avantjuru on povel mnozhestvo molodyh bojcov, pochti detej, bez vsjakoj voennoj podgotovki. Chtoby izbezhat' nemedlennogo porazhenija otrjada, k nemu v kachestve komandira-nastavnika byl prisoedinen opytnejshij voenachal'nik, komandujuschij Jugo-Vostochnym napravleniem Hungar-Pasha Isratilov. Kstati, Kulikov gordo soobschil v subbotu, chto "hotja trup Radueva ne najden, no zato v nochnom boju v sredu ubit H-P. Isratilov, i ego trup najden v Pervomajskoj". Vse agentstva novostej peredali eto soobschenie, no segodnja Isratilov, s zabintovannoj rukoj i plechom, sidel v prezidiume sobranija rjadom s Mashadovym. Isratilov polnost'ju podderzhal Basaevskuju ocenku Radueva i ego avantjury. Ogromnyj moral'nyj i politicheskij uscherb, prichinennyj Chechne Raduevym, zastavljaet raznye sily iskat' formulirovki otnoshenija k nemu. Na press-konferencii Raduev ne sidel za obschim stolom s Mashadovym, Isratilovym, Udugovym (ministr informacii) i Basaevym, a "zabegal" otvetit' na neskol'ko voprosov i vyskakival, nervno merjaja shagami shkol'nyj dvor. Dudaev kolebletsja, chto budet vygodnee - ob'javit' ego geroem ili prestupnikom, Mashadov istochaet jad i zajavljaet na press-konferencii "ja imeju k pohodu Radueva otnoshenie tol'ko nachinaja s momenta, kogda ego blokirovali v Pervomajskoj", ostal'nye komandiry ironizirujut. S drugoj storony, etot isterichnyj junosha s reducirovannoj moral'ju i umerennymi sposobnostjami - kak-nikak simvol SAMOGO POZORNOGO PORAZhENIJa rossijskoj armii. Verojatno, kompromiss budet sostojat' v tom, chto Raduevu "predlozhat" chto-to tipa shtrafbata. Chto sluchilos' v Kizljare? S pervyh chasov stolknovenij v Kizljare soobschalos' - v tom chisle so ssylkoj na marionetochnoe pravitel'stvo v Groznom - chto rossijskie specsluzhby ZNALI o nalete na Kizljar, chto uvedomljalis' kak MVD respubliki, tak i vse neobhodimye moskovskie vlasti. Informacija, postupivshaja pozdnee iz milicejskih i voennyh istochnikov v Kizljare, prolivaet svet i na eto. Pohozhe, byla predprinjata (silami FSB) operacija po dezinformacii Dudaeva. Byla sfabrikovana versija, chto na voennyj aerodrom Kizljara pribyvajut 8 janvarja 8 transportnyh vertoletov s gruzom reaktivnyh snarjadov (NURS). Ohrana jakoby - minimal'naja. Pojavilas' vozmozhnost' otlichit'sja Raduevu, a Dudaevu - podrastit' sobstvennuju, zavisjaschuju ot nego, a ne ot Mashadova, generaciju polevyh komandirov. Ohrany ne okazalos' voobsche, a vot vertoletov - dva, pustyh, bez gruza i gorjuchego. Zato vokrug - 4000 otbornyh soldat, pojmavshih Radueva v lovushku. Dal'she nachinaetsja rashozhdenie versij. Raduev zajavljaet, chto emu ostavili tol'ko koridor k bol'nice - sluchajno ili narochno, i, spasaja svoju zhizn', on rinulsja tuda. Oficioz (oficery KGB, a takzhe vsjacheskie "eksperty po terrorizmu", pricheskoj i rozhej pohozhie na banditov), narochito otkazyvajas' kommentirovat' vysheskazannoe, govorjat, chto bol'nica, nesomnenno, byla cel'ju Radueva s samogo nachala. On, jakoby, zanjal ee ran'she (ili chut' pozzhe), chem nachal udar po aerodromu, chto zahvat zalozhnikov i pred'javlenie ul'timatuma bylo cel'ju bolee vazhnoj, chem aerodrom i vokzal. Eto mne kazhetsja somnitel'nym - na samom vysokom urovne rossijskie nachal'niki govorili uzhe s oseni, chto reshenie, prinjatoe v Budennovske, bylo oshibkoj, i Raduev ne mog etogo ne znat'. Skoree ja gotov poverit', chto bol'nica zanimalas' imenno kak bol'nica - mesto, gde est' operacionnye (i dejstvitel'no, tuda dostavili ranenyh boevikov), sklady lekarstv, mozhet byt', narkotiki ili spirt. A pri neudachnom povorote Raduev uhvatilsja za solominku. Vo vsjakom sluchae, s rossijskoj storony pro eto delo izoshlo uzhe stol'ko lzhi, chto bezopasnee ne verit' ni odnomu ih slovu. Sud'ba Natashi Alievoj Kogda dve nedeli sidish' v takom tjaguchem bolote lzhi i krovi, nevol'no obostrenno vosprinimaesh' ljubuju LIChNUJu dramu, gde vidny ljudi, a ne "boeviki", "zalozhniki" i "federaly". Rasskaz ob etoj istorii ja uslyshal po radio ot Aleksandra Evtushenko ("Komsomol'skaja pravda", "Radio Svoboda") - snachala kak promel'knuvshuju momental'nuju scenku vojny, a potom - uzhe den' za dnem muchitel'no lovil vse novye podrobnosti razvitija etoj istorii. Itak, scenka vojny. Vtornik, 16-e, posle provala pervyh shturmov Pervomajskoj. Amerikanskij korrespondent videl, kak zatalkivali v "voronok" gor'ko rydajuschego cheloveka - "osvobozhdennogo zalozhnika" (na samom dele parlamentera). "U menja tam ostalas' doch'!" - krichal on, no gebisty zabrosili ego v mashinu, i odin iz nih nastavitel'no skazal: "Bud' zhe muzhchinoj!" Sem'ju Rashida Alieva terroristy prignali v bol'nicu v polnom sostave, - i zhenu, i vseh pjateryh detej. V avtokolonne okazalos' ih uzhe dvoe - on i pjatnadcatiletnjaja doch' Natasha. Iz Pervomajskoj terroristy poslali Natashu v sosednee selo za produktami, nameknuv, chto ona mozhet ne vozvraschat'sja. No ona vernulas' - "kak ja mogu brosit' otca?" A vo vtornik, posle pervyh shturmov, raduevcy poslali Rashida s belym flagom - peredat' federalam svoi predlozhenija. Nazad on, kak vy uzhe prochitali, ne vernulsja. Selo sgorelo dotla v razryvah "Gradov", no Natashi ne okazalos' ni sredi zhivyh, ni sredi mertvyh. Rashid obmer ot gorja i styda - on BROSIL DOCh' V EE SMERTNYJ ChAS. Tol'ko kogda stalo izvestno, chto kto-to ushel na drugoj bereg vmeste s prorvavshimi okruzhenie boevikami, u nego zabrezzhila nadezhda (hot' generaly Kulikov i Barsukov i uspokoili obschestvennost' - "verojatno, vse prorvavshiesja utonuli v Tereke - zhdem vodolazov, budem iskat'"). Mnozhestvo takih, kak on, s rannego utra den' za dnem stojat u pod'ezda gorodskoj administracii Kizljara. I vot - novost': Natasha zhiva! Chechency govorjat, chto dazhe ne ranena! Zavtra ee dolzhny privezti v Novogroznenskoe. Esche zalozhniki rasskazali, chto v obrechennom sele rabotal televizor, i v sredu oni uslyshali iz ust generala KGB - "vse zalozhniki mertvy, my pristupaem k poslednej stadii operacii". Nado prosto POSTAVIT' SEBJa NA IH MESTO, i ja ne verju, chto mozhno posle etogo ostat'sja takim zhe, kak i ran'she. Ostat'sja takim zhe? Segodnja pokinul vse svoi posty v prezidentskih strukturah Sergej Kovalev, vchera eto sdelal Gajdar. Gajdar skorogovorkoj upomjanul svoju "naivnost'", vyrazivshujusja v podderzhke El'cina dazhe posle nachala vojny. Kovalev podcherknul, chto ne budet podderzhivat' El'cina ni pri kakih uslovijah, dazhe esli ego protivnikom budet Zjuganov ili Zhirinovskij. Razitel'nyj kontrast s ego poziciej godichnoj davnosti, kogda S.A. govoril "ja NADEJuS' (on imel v vidu "bojus'", no ogovorka pokazatel'naja), chto Zjuganov budet huzhe". Luchshe pozdno, chem nikogda? Paradoksal'no, no dlja E. eto ochen' vygodnyj shag, i pritom v udachnyj moment - on vpisyvaetsja v ego programmu "vo chto by to ni stalo ponravit'sja Partkom Partkomycham". I tem ne menee - da. Prosto dusha Kovaleva vazhnee teh dolej procenta, kotorye vyigraet Verhovnyj Glavnokomandujuschij. Javlinskij sobiraet podpisi pod peticiej ob otstavke pravitel'stva. Kommunisty morschatsja i davat' ih ne hotjat, potomu chto prazdnujut uvol'nenie "demokratov" iz pravitel'stva. "Vot i horosho, - skazal Javlinskij, - davno pora vnesti jasnost', kto est' kto v svjazi s etoj vojnoj". Da uzh, davno - luchshe by, chtoby do ee nachala - gljadish', i ne nachalas' by... Vash Alik From root Wed Jan 24 16:10:12 1996 >From INFO-RUSS-request@smarty.ece.jhu.edu Wed Jan 24 16:10:12 1996 Return-Path: Received: from smarty.ece.jhu.edu by psi.ece.jhu.edu with SMTP; Wed, 24 Jan 1996 16:10:11 -0500 Received: by smarty.ece.jhu.edu (5.61/1.18jrs) id AA24672; Wed, 24 Jan 96 13:56:22 -0500 Message-Id: <9601241856.AA24672@smarty.ece.jhu.edu> Errors-To: INFO-RUSS-request@smarty.ece.jhu.edu Sender: INFO-RUSS-request@smarty.ece.jhu.edu Precedence: bulk Received: from umdsun2.umd.umich.edu by smarty.ece.jhu.edu (5.61/1.18jrs) id AA27424; Sun, 21 Jan 96 14:51:19 -0500 Received: from elvis.umd.umich.edu (elvis.umd.umich.edu [141.215.9.21]) by umdsun2.umd.umich.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA16262 for ; Sun, 21 Jan 1996 14:50:02 -0500 Date: Sun, 21 Jan 1996 14:50:02 -0500 From: vladimir griaznov To: info-russ@smarty.ece.jhu.edu Subject: INFO-RUSS: medicine for Marina Status: RO --------------------------------------------------------------------- This is INFO-RUSS broadcast (1150+ subscribers). 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From root Fri Jan 26 10:25:19 1996 >From INFO-RUSS-request@smarty.ece.jhu.edu Fri Jan 26 10:25:19 1996 Return-Path: Received: from smarty.ece.jhu.edu by psi.ece.jhu.edu with SMTP; Fri, 26 Jan 1996 10:25:18 -0500 Sender: INFO-RUSS-request@smarty.ece.jhu.edu Received: by smarty.ece.jhu.edu (5.61/1.18jrs) id AA12518; Fri, 26 Jan 96 09:30:04 -0500 Received: from mig.phys.msu.su by super.ece.jhu.edu (5.61/1.18jrs) id AA04003; Thu, 25 Jan 96 04:43:07 -0500 Received: from bee.phys.msu.su (bee.phys.msu.su [193.232.123.202]) by mig.phys.msu.su (8.6.7/8.6.5) with SMTP id NAA05728; Thu, 25 Jan 1996 13:17:52 +0300 Message-Id: <199601251017.NAA05728@mig.phys.msu.su> X-Authentication-Warning: mig.phys.msu.su: Host bee.phys.msu.su didn't use HELO protocol Date: Thu, 25 Jan 1996 12:32:54 From: "Andrei Andrianov" Organization: Moscow State University To: info-russ@smarty.ece.jhu.edu Subject: INFO-RUSS: pervomaisk - summary Status: RO --------------------------------------------------------------------- This is INFO-RUSS broadcast (1150+ subscribers). Home page, information, and archives: http://psi.ece.jhu.edu/~kaplan/IRUSS/inforuss.html To post, or to subscribe/unsubscribe, mail to info-russ@smarty.ece.jhu.edu INFO-RUSS is not responsible for the information supplied by its users or/and for their views. --------------------------------------------------------------------- CHECHNIA - SVETLOE BUDUSHEE VSEGO CHELOVECHESTVA? Itak, Pervomaisko-Kizliarskaia ahineiia sravnitel'no blagopoluchno zavershilas'. Srazu zamechy, chto ne ponimaiu isteriki v presse po etomu povodu. Vlasti deistvovali vpolne bezdarno, no bez osobogo liudoedstva. Bol'shinstvo zalojnikov ostalis' jivy (eto prakticheski dostoverno), mestnye jiteli zablagovremenno sbejali, i, v sushnosti, edinstvennaia ser'eznaia poteria - eto razdolbannaia vdryzg derevnia. Ne bog vest' chto. A vot bezdarnost' vlastei, deistvitel'no, perehodit ramki vozmojnogo. Naskol'ko mojno poniat', proishodilo sleduiushee: kogda v Kizliare dogovorilis' banditov otpustit', primerno 250-400 banditov i 100-150 zalojnikov (cifry iz raznyh mass-media) pogruzilis' v 11 avtobusov i dva Kamaza i poehali. (Avtobusy byli v osnovnom PAZikami, i sidelo v nih, sudia po TV, chelovek po 30. To est' vsego ehalo 300-400 dush - v obshem shoditsia.) Po doroge oni zahvatili blok-post (check-point), a na nem 40 milicionerov zalojnikami, a takje kuchu boepripasov s blok-posta. Utverjdaetsia, chto proizoshla ocherednaia glupost': na blok-postu nichego ne znali, i kolonna pod'ehala vplotnuiu, vystaviv v okna jenshin-zalojnic s belymi flagami, a tam vyskochili bandity i vziali mentov na mushku. Ostanovili kolonnu v poslednii moment pered perehodom v Chechniu, v derevne Pervomaiskoe. Naselenie uspelo smyt'sia v sosednee selo. Posle chego vlasti nachali gotovit' ataku, a bandity (silami zalojnikov) - ryt' okopy. I prodoljalos' et chut' ne NEDELIU! V rezul'tate k nachalu shturma u banditov byli ochen' prilichnye ukrepleniia. U nih byli pulemety, granatomety i boepripasov na dve nedeli strel'by. Nakonec nachalsia shturm. Uchastvovali: boevye vertolety (armiia), artilleriia (armiia), i shturmovye gruppy - specnaz POLICII i KGB (?!). Posle chisto demonstrativnogo obstrela - vse drujno utverjdaiut, chto bili iskliuchitel'no po okrainam - policeiskii specnaz sunulsia vpered i popal pod ogon'. Prishlos' otoiti. Potom nachalsia bardak: kto-to kuda-to nepreryvno strelial izo vsego, chto streliaet. Inogda po svoim. Selo, estestvenno, zagorelos', i v dymu i tumane nichego tolkom vidno ne bylo. Sviazi mejdu atakuiushimi toje tolkom ne bylo. I tak troe sutok. Zalojnikov bandity ne rasstrelivali, chto i poniatno: esli uj nachalsia shturm - nado otbivat'sia, a ne s zalojnikami vozit'sia. Chast' zalojnikov prosto sbejala v sumatohe. (Vprochem, ne iskliucheno, chto vsia bestolkovaia strel'ba byla lish' dlia sozdaniia etoi samoi sumatohi.) No tak ili inache, v konce koncov banditov ottesnili s okrain. Tut-to oni noch'iu sobralis' i poshli na proryv. Vstretil ih otriad ocepleniia boicov v 20 i primerno chas uspeshno otbivalsia (streliat'-to specnazovcy umeiut). V shtabe, vidimo, vse spali - po krainei mere nikakogo podkrepleniia ne podoshlo. V konce koncov oceplenie otoshlo, a bandity prorvalis' i ushli, uvodia chast' zalojnikov. V oceplenii pogiblo shestero. Ot sela k etomu vremeni ostalos' nemnogo. Na chem vse i konchilos'. Pozorishe i posmeshishe. Oficial'nye dannye (vse cifry primerno): osvobojdeny (v smysle vyshli jivymi k svoim) 80 zalojnikov (veroiatno, eto pravda); uvedeno v Chechniu 60; Raduev ushel jivoi i daje ne ranenyi (uje vystupal po TV, radostnyi, kak rebenok); poteri vlastei - 30 ubityh i 100 ranenyh (pravdopodobno); poteri banditov - odnomu Allahu izvestny. Vlasti zaiavili, chto naideno 150 trupov banditov i 30 vziato v plen. Proverit' nevozmojno, no sootnoshenie podozritel'no - logichno bylo by ojidat' fifty-fifty ili tipa togo. S drugoi storony, policeiskie snaipery obychno ubivaiut. Vidimo, chislo ubityh zavysheno raza v dva. Opiat' je i Raduev skazal, chto poterial 20%, t.e. chelovek 60 - ochevidno, toje sovrav raza v dva-tri (tol'ko v Kizliare u nego ubili 30 boicov). Po poteriam zalojnikov est' tochnye dannye po tem samym mentam s blok-posta. Bylo ih okolo 40, 25 osvobojdeno, 15 uvedeno v Chechniu, pogiblo 1-2. Eto, vidimo, pravda. Esli takaia proporciia i po ostal'nym zalojnikam - rezul'tat bolee chem priemlemyi, uchityvaia masshtaby bezobraziia. Poskol'ku vriad li mentov bandity beregli bol'she, chem dagestancev - pohoje, chto tak i est'. Inache govoria, postoianno povtoriaemye mass-media slova o massovoi gibeli zalojnikov ot ognia federal'nyh sil - polnaia chush'; pri shturme Pervomaiskogo pogiblo zavedomo men'she mirnyh jitelei, chem vo vremia sobstvenno zahvata Kizliara banditami. Na samom dele vse eti slova proishodiat ot edinstvennogo jurnalista (Iakova iz "Izvestii"), kotoryi dobralsia do sela i vse izdaleka videl. Videt'-to on videl, no, sudia po tomu, chto on po etomu povodu napisal - on polnyi bolvan (eto, konechno, moe lichnoe mnenie). V chastnosti, esli v derevne sgorel dom - eto vovse ne oznachaet, chto vse vnutri doma pogibli (kak polagaet nash jurnalist). Voobshe idiotizm mass-media uspeshno sopernichal s idiotizmom vlastei. Standartnym janrom byla isterika diktora na fone nevniatnoi kartinki. Dudaevcy predlojili zalojnikov-dagestancev otpustit' bez uslovii, a plennyh mentov obmeniat' na svoih plennyh. Vpolne dostoinyi hod. Vot takoi bred. Teper' kommentarii. Malen'kii vopros nomer odin: kakogo cherta kolonnu voobshe vpustili v naselennyi punkt? Nu ostanovili by ih v chistom pole i libo shturmovali, libo prosto derjali oceplenie i jdali, poka oni vymerznut na 10-gradusnom moroze. Ves' posleduiushii bardak proishodil iz etoi pervoi ahinei. Nomer dva: glavnyi pozor - to, chto bandity prorvalis'. Voobshe-to davno pridumany koliuchaia provoloka, okopy i minnye polia. Tak chto esli vziat' shturmom ukreplennuiu derevniu - deistvitel'no ser'eznaia zadacha, to uj derjat' vokrug nee oceplenie - delo nehitroe. Nu prignali by motostrelkovyi polk i prikazali zaniat' oboronu soglasno ustavu! Vmesto etogo otdel'nye otriady sideli v chistom pole v snegu bez okopov, kryshi, goriachei pishi i normal'noi sviazi. Chechenskii nachshtaba Mashadov skazal, chto etot reid - bezobrazie i chto Raduev budet nakazan, a takje chto tam byli "nashi luchshie boicy". Hot' kakoe-to uteshenie... Opiat' je v uteshenie mojno vspomnit', chto vo vremia nedavnei strel'by v Gudermese 100 russkih soldat dve nedeli derjali oboronu protiv primerno tysiachi dudaevcev i blagopoluchno otbilis'. Nu legche s sovremennym orujiem oboroniat'sia, chem napadat', nu chto podelaesh'! Otdel'naia poema - reakciia vyshego nachal'stva. Chtoby za 20 sekund v efire prezident smorozil srazu dve gluposti - eto nado umet'! Prichem imenno glupost', a ne vran'e. V chastnosti, Elkin, vidimo, ne znal, chto Dagestan - chast' Rossii i vosprinimal ego kak nezavisimoe gosudarstvo tipa Gruzii (ia ne shuchu!). Vtoroi hohmoi byla fraza Elkina o tom, chto v Pervomaiskom u banditov byla zaranee podgotovlennaia baza (nad etoi frazoi pressa izdevalas' nedeliu). Opiat' je eto - ne vran'e, a glupost': ochevidno, v doklade bylo skazano, chto u banditov byli ukrepleniia (chto pravda), a elkinskii spichraiter s neuemnym literaturnym darom eto otredaktiroval. V opravdanie vlastei mojno skazat' razve chto sleduiushee: bylo neponiatno, chto, sobstvenno, organizuetsia - to li armeiskii shturm ukreplennogo punkta protivnika, to li policeiskaia operaciia po osvobojdeniiu zalojnikov. V rezul'tate proishodilo postoiannoe smeshenie janrov: policeiskih v kachestve pehoty brosali na pulemety; artilleriia streliala, no ne ochen' i t.p. Shef KGB v jalkoe opravdanie skazal, chto takogo masshtaba terroristicheskih akcii v mire do sih por ne bylo, chto chistaia pravda. Kak izvestno, pri "obychnom" osvobojdenii zalojnikov na treh-piateryh terroristov s pistoletami prihoditsia sotnia policeiskih s avtomatami. A v KGB-vskoi gruppe protivoterrora vsego-to sotnia boicov - protiv 300 u Radueva. I voorujenie u nih ravnoe. Vot i osvobojdaite tut zalojnikov. A upiraetsia vse v promejutochnoe polojenie Rossii kak "byvshei civilizovannoi strany": to li ona civilizovannaia, to li net. S odnoi storony, civilizovannaia, potomu chto prosto perebit' banditov vmeste s zalojnikami, rasstreliav kolonnu s vertoletov (chego uj proshe) - kak by nehorosho. S drugoi storony, po civilizovannym stranam vrode by ne doljny raz'ezjat' bandy v 300 boicov s voorujeniem sovremennyh komandos. Vot eta drugaia storona vseliaet nekotoryi ujas, a imenno: a nu kak takaia banda zavedetsia v "civilizovannoi" strane - kto i kak ee ostanovit? Sovremennoe ruchnoe orujie nastol'ko effektivno, chto v usloviiah peresechennoi mestnosti (naprimer, goroda) s takoi bandoi spravit'sia prakticheski nevozmojno: BTR podbivaetsia s odnogo vystrela, tank - s 5-6, vertolet toje sbivaetsia, a strelka ne vidno. Vot i predstav'te sebe bandu v 200 chelovek tipa dudaevskoi, baziruiushuiusia v down-towne i vyhodiashuiu grabit' bogatye prigorody. A takje predstav'te sebe down-town, gde iz kajdogo okna mojet strel'nuit' granatomet. Ili obychnuiu kompaniiu rokerov - i u kajdogo cherez plecho "Kalashnikov". Vpechatliaet? Vash Andrei. From root Fri Jan 26 16:51:15 1996 >From INFO-RUSS-request@smarty.ece.jhu.edu Fri Jan 26 16:51:14 1996 Return-Path: Received: from smarty.ece.jhu.edu by psi.ece.jhu.edu with SMTP; Fri, 26 Jan 1996 16:51:13 -0500 From: INFO-RUSS-request@smarty.ece.jhu.edu Received: by smarty.ece.jhu.edu (5.61/1.18jrs) id AA12535; Fri, 26 Jan 96 09:33:11 -0500 Errors-To: INFO-RUSS-request@smarty.ece.jhu.edu Sender: INFO-RUSS-request@smarty.ece.jhu.edu Precedence: bulk Received: from cooper.physics.ucla.edu by smarty.ece.jhu.edu (5.61/1.18jrs) id AA25435; Wed, 24 Jan 96 20:24:50 -0500 Received: from raman by physics.ucla.edu (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA07288; Wed, 24 Jan 1996 17:27:11 -0800 Received: by raman (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id RAA03357; Wed, 24 Jan 1996 17:24:23 -0800 Date: Wed, 24 Jan 1996 17:24:23 -0800 Message-Id: <199601250124.RAA03357@raman> To: info-russ@smarty.ece.jhu.edu X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Status: RO --------------------------------------------------------------------- This is INFO-RUSS broadcast (1150+ subscribers). 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Thanks, Misha ( misha@physics.ucla.edu ) From root Mon Jan 29 01:23:28 1996 >From INFO-RUSS-request@smarty.ece.jhu.edu Mon Jan 29 01:23:27 1996 Return-Path: Received: from smarty.ece.jhu.edu by psi.ece.jhu.edu with SMTP; Mon, 29 Jan 1996 01:23:26 -0500 Received: by smarty.ece.jhu.edu (5.61/1.18jrs) id AA01346; Sun, 28 Jan 96 22:53:15 -0500 Message-Id: <9601290353.AA01346@smarty.ece.jhu.edu> Errors-To: INFO-RUSS-request@smarty.ece.jhu.edu Sender: INFO-RUSS-request@smarty.ece.jhu.edu Precedence: bulk Received: from mail02.mail.aol.com by smarty.ece.jhu.edu (5.61/1.18jrs) id AA29620; Tue, 2 Jan 96 18:34:00 -0500 Received: by mail02.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id SAA27041 for info-russ@smarty.ece.jhu.edu; Tue, 2 Jan 1996 18:33:59 -0500 Date: Tue, 2 Jan 1996 18:33:59 -0500 From: Moscow1786@aol.com To: info-russ@smarty.ece.jhu.edu Subject: INFO-RUSS: translations Status: RO --------------------------------------------------------------------- This is INFO-RUSS broadcast (1150+ subscribers). Home page, information, and archives: http://psi.ece.jhu.edu/~kaplan/IRUSS/inforuss.html To post, or to subscribe/unsubscribe, mail to info-russ@smarty.ece.jhu.edu INFO-RUSS is not responsible for the information supplied by its users or/and for their views. --------------------------------------------------------------------- Hi! Due to the decline of enrollment in Russian courses in America, I am now an unemployed teacher of Russian. I am trying to start a business of doing translations from Russian German or Serbian to English. If you have anything you need to have translated, please e-mail at my address: Moscow1768@aol.com. Thanks! From root Mon Jan 29 01:29:05 1996 >From INFO-RUSS-request@smarty.ece.jhu.edu Mon Jan 29 01:29:04 1996 Return-Path: Received: from smarty.ece.jhu.edu by psi.ece.jhu.edu with SMTP; Mon, 29 Jan 1996 01:29:03 -0500 Received: by smarty.ece.jhu.edu (5.61/1.18jrs) id AA01327; Sun, 28 Jan 96 22:52:58 -0500 Message-Id: <9601290352.AA01327@smarty.ece.jhu.edu> Errors-To: INFO-RUSS-request@smarty.ece.jhu.edu Sender: INFO-RUSS-request@smarty.ece.jhu.edu Precedence: bulk Received: from arl-img-5.compuserve.com by smarty.ece.jhu.edu (5.61/1.18jrs) id AA20786; Wed, 17 Jan 96 18:18:31 -0500 Received: by arl-img-5.compuserve.com (8.6.10/5.950515) id SAA15359; Wed, 17 Jan 1996 18:18:30 -0500 Date: 17 Jan 96 18:13:43 EST From: Alexander Kraytsberg <102337.1715@compuserve.com> To: info-russ Subject: INFO-RUSS: Memoirs of N.N. Moiseyev Status: RO --------------------------------------------------------------------- This is INFO-RUSS broadcast (1150+ subscribers). 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Alex From root Mon Jan 29 01:46:04 1996 >From INFO-RUSS-request@smarty.ece.jhu.edu Mon Jan 29 01:46:03 1996 Return-Path: Received: from smarty.ece.jhu.edu by psi.ece.jhu.edu with SMTP; Mon, 29 Jan 1996 01:46:03 -0500 Received: by smarty.ece.jhu.edu (5.61/1.18jrs) id AA01321; Sun, 28 Jan 96 22:52:45 -0500 Message-Id: <9601290352.AA01321@smarty.ece.jhu.edu> Errors-To: INFO-RUSS-request@smarty.ece.jhu.edu Sender: INFO-RUSS-request@smarty.ece.jhu.edu Precedence: bulk Received: from PACIFIC-CARRIER-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by smarty.ece.jhu.edu (5.61/1.18jrs) id AA05946; Mon, 22 Jan 96 09:02:05 -0500 Received: from MIT.MIT.EDU by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA21053; Mon, 22 Jan 96 09:01:51 EST Received: from TMS-E19-PORT-5.MIT.EDU by MIT.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA08608; Mon, 22 Jan 96 09:02:00 EST Date: Mon, 22 Jan 96 10:07:12 From: sigalovs@MIT.EDU (Julia Sigalovsky) To: info-russ@smarty.ece.jhu.edu Subject: INFO-RUSS: Looking for a baby-sitter (repeated msg) Status: RO --------------------------------------------------------------------- This is INFO-RUSS broadcast (1150+ subscribers). 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Thanks for the help, Julia Sigalovsky From root Mon Jan 29 01:52:35 1996 >From INFO-RUSS-request@smarty.ece.jhu.edu Mon Jan 29 01:52:35 1996 Return-Path: Received: from smarty.ece.jhu.edu by psi.ece.jhu.edu with SMTP; Mon, 29 Jan 1996 01:52:34 -0500 Received: by smarty.ece.jhu.edu (5.61/1.18jrs) id AA01295; Sun, 28 Jan 96 22:52:19 -0500 Message-Id: <9601290352.AA01295@smarty.ece.jhu.edu> Errors-To: INFO-RUSS-request@smarty.ece.jhu.edu Sender: INFO-RUSS-request@smarty.ece.jhu.edu Precedence: bulk Received: from oxmail3.ox.ac.uk by smarty.ece.jhu.edu (5.61/1.18jrs) id AA21196; Sat, 27 Jan 96 10:26:24 -0500 Received: from sable.ox.ac.uk by oxmail3 with SMTP (PP); Sat, 27 Jan 1996 10:53:16 +0000 Received: (from wolf0183@localhost) by sable.ox.ac.uk (1.5/8.6.12) id KAA13631; Sat, 27 Jan 1996 10:21:54 GMT Date: Sat, 27 Jan 1996 10:21:54 +0000 (GMT) From: Vladimir Orel To: info-russ@smarty.ece.jhu.edu Subject: INFO-RUSS: INFO-RUSS: re: Pervomaisk - svetloe budushchee Status: RO --------------------------------------------------------------------- This is INFO-RUSS broadcast (1150+ subscribers). Home page, information, and archives: http://psi.ece.jhu.edu/~kaplan/IRUSS/inforuss.html To post, or to subscribe/unsubscribe, mail to info-russ@smarty.ece.jhu.edu INFO-RUSS is not responsible for the information supplied by its users or/and for their views. --------------------------------------------------------------------- Kratkoe zamechanie k tekstu Andrei Andrianova "CHECHNIA - SVETLOE BUDUSHEE VSEGO CHELOVECHESTVA?" Andrei zadaetsia voprosom: "A nu kak takaia banda zavedetsia v "civilizovannoi" strane - kto i kak ee ostanovit?" Otvet na etot vopros ("ne zavedetsia") zakliuchaetsia v tom, chto civilizovannye strany v sobstvennom smysle etogo slova ne posylaiut voisk v drugie natsional'no-gosudarstvennye obrazovaniia, zaiavivshie o svoei nezavisimosti, a skoree naoborot - takovye voiska, esli uzh oni okazalis' v chuzhom dome, vyvodiat, predostavliaia drugim narodam zanimat'sia svoimi sobstvennymi delami i reshat' svoiu sobstvennuiu sud'bu bez ustanovok "Grad". I eshche odno, terminologicheskoe, zamechanie: nazyvat' chechentsev "banditami" - dazhe i zakhvatyvaiushchikh zalozhnikov - riskovanno. Chto esli zavtra Rossii pridetsia s etimi "banditami" podpisyvat' dogovor o mire i granitse, a russkomu prezidentu nado budet pozhimat' ruku g-nu Dudaevu? Stremno. Vash Volodia. From root Mon Jan 29 01:59:36 1996 >From INFO-RUSS-request@smarty.ece.jhu.edu Mon Jan 29 01:59:36 1996 Return-Path: Received: from smarty.ece.jhu.edu by psi.ece.jhu.edu with SMTP; Mon, 29 Jan 1996 01:59:35 -0500 Received: by smarty.ece.jhu.edu (5.61/1.18jrs) id AA01301; Sun, 28 Jan 96 22:52:29 -0500 Message-Id: <9601290352.AA01301@smarty.ece.jhu.edu> Errors-To: INFO-RUSS-request@smarty.ece.jhu.edu Sender: INFO-RUSS-request@smarty.ece.jhu.edu Precedence: bulk Received: from ENGC.BU.EDU by smarty.ece.jhu.edu (5.61/1.18jrs) id AA00596; Sun, 28 Jan 96 16:11:23 -0500 Received: by engc.bu.edu (8.6.9/Spike-2.1) id QAA06660; Sun, 28 Jan 1996 16:11:09 -0500 From: leon@engc.bu.edu (Leonid Charny) Subject: INFO-RUSS: Ovchinnikov's Fund-raising To: info-russ@smarty.ece.jhu.edu Date: Sun, 28 Jan 1996 16:11:08 -0500 (EST) Status: RO --------------------------------------------------------------------- This is INFO-RUSS broadcast (1150+ subscribers). Home page, information, and archives: http://psi.ece.jhu.edu/~kaplan/IRUSS/inforuss.html To post, or to subscribe/unsubscribe, mail to info-russ@smarty.ece.jhu.edu INFO-RUSS is not responsible for the information supplied by its users or/and for their views. --------------------------------------------------------------------- Dear friends: This is a final list of donors to the Ovchinnikov's fund made through American Help Foundation. The total amount is almost $2,500. It appears that sufficient funds have been raised and V.F. is expected to arrive to Germany to undergo a planned surgery. Thank you all. Baransky, Yuri Belinson, Alexander Berdichevsky, Irina & Stanislav Beyzerov, Michael Charny, Leonid Egorov, V. 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Jenny kouchnir@haas.berkeley.edu From root Mon Jan 29 03:58:38 1996 >From INFO-RUSS-request@smarty.ece.jhu.edu Mon Jan 29 03:58:38 1996 Return-Path: Received: from smarty.ece.jhu.edu by psi.ece.jhu.edu with SMTP; Mon, 29 Jan 1996 03:58:37 -0500 Received: by smarty.ece.jhu.edu (5.61/1.18jrs) id AA01289; Sun, 28 Jan 96 22:52:14 -0500 Message-Id: <9601290352.AA01289@smarty.ece.jhu.edu> Errors-To: INFO-RUSS-request@smarty.ece.jhu.edu Sender: INFO-RUSS-request@smarty.ece.jhu.edu Precedence: bulk Received: from [193.232.223.34] by smarty.ece.jhu.edu (5.61/1.18jrs) id AA20497; Sat, 27 Jan 96 00:43:10 -0500 Received: from ium.ips.ras.ru (fbsd.dnttm.rssi.ru [194.85.218.67]) by router.dnttm.rssi.ru (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id BAA01152 for ; Sat, 27 Jan 1996 01:10:53 +0300 Received: from masu.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by ium.ips.ras.ru (8.6.9/8.6.9) with UUCP id AAA01869 for info-russ@smarty.ece.jhu.edu; Sat, 27 Jan 1996 00:59:42 +0300 Received: by ium.ips.ras.ru (UUPC/@ v6.14g, 08Sep95) id AA23342; Sat, 27 Jan 1996 00:49:33 +0200 (EET) To: info-russ@smarty.ece.jhu.edu Organization: School N57 From: "Alexandr A. Suhanov" Date: Sat, 27 Jan 96 00:49:32 +0200 (EET) Subject: INFO-RUSS: Kommentarij k tekstu A.Andrianova Status: RO --------------------------------------------------------------------- This is INFO-RUSS broadcast (1150+ subscribers). Home page, information, and archives: http://psi.ece.jhu.edu/~kaplan/IRUSS/inforuss.html To post, or to subscribe/unsubscribe, mail to info-russ@smarty.ece.jhu.edu INFO-RUSS is not responsible for the information supplied by its users or/and for their views. --------------------------------------------------------------------- Andrej, dobryj den'! U menja k Vashemu tekstu neskol'ko melkih pretenzij po faktam (skoree, konechno, gruppirovke i interpretacii), a takzhe popytka otvetit' na Vash osnoveoj vopros: > CHECHNIA - SVETLOE BUDUSHEE VSEGO CHELOVECHESTVA? Itak, poehali. >i, v sushnosti, edinstvennaia ser'eznaia poteria - eto >razdolbannaia vdryzg derevnia. Ne bog vest' chto. Kak Vy dumaete, ostavshiesja sredi zimy bez domov zhiteli stanicy poluchat pomosch' ot praitel'stva, naprimer, zhil'e? Cherez skol'ko mesjacev (let, dnej)? > Po doroge oni zahvatili blok-post (check-point), a na nem 40 >milicionerov zalojnikami, a takje kuchu boepripasov s blok-posta. >Utverjdaetsia, chto proizoshla ocherednaia glupost': na blok-postu >nichego ne znali, i kolonna pod'ehala vplotnuiu, vystaviv v okna >jenshin-zalojnic s belymi flagami, a tam vyskochili bandity i >vziali mentov na mushku. > > Ostanovili kolonnu v poslednii moment pered perehodom v >Chechniu, v derevne Pervomaiskoe. Naselenie uspelo smyt'sia v >sosednee selo. Eto izlozhenie sozdaet nepravil'noe predstavlenie o vremennoj posledovatel'nosti: blok-post nahoditsja v Pervomajskoj, i byl on zahvachen ne DO, a POSLE togo, kak kolonnu atakovali (obstreljali). Kolonna razvernulast' ot Shelkovskogo mosta i poshla vglub' Dagestana (sudja po karte, k Hasav'jurtu). > Posle chego vlasti nachali gotovit' ataku, a bandity (silami >zalojnikov) - ryt' okopy. I prodoljalos' et chut' ne NEDELIU! V >rezul'tate k nachalu shturma u banditov byli ochen' prilichnye >ukrepleniia. U nih byli pulemety, granatomety i boepripasov na dve >nedeli strel'by. Na kadrah TV vidno, chto okopy - ne polnogo profilja. Zalozhnik - milicioner iz Kizljara govorit, chto ne smog vyryt' dlja sebja dostatochno glubokij okop, tak kak ego stalo zalivat' gruntovoj vodoj. > Vstretil ih otriad ocepleniia boicov v 20 i primerno chas >uspeshno otbivalsia (streliat'-to specnazovcy umeiut). V shtabe, >vidimo, vse spali - po krainei mere nikakogo podkrepleniia ne >podoshlo. V konce koncov oceplenie otoshlo, a bandity prorvalis' i >ushli, uvodia chast' zalojnikov. V oceplenii pogiblo shestero. Kommentarij budet nizhe, gde obsuzhdajutsja oshibki armii. > Po poteriam zalojnikov est' tochnye dannye po tem samym ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >mentam s blok-posta. Bylo ih okolo 40, 25 osvobojdeno, 15 uvedeno >v Chechniu, pogiblo 1-2. Eto, vidimo, pravda. Bylo ih 36, v rukah chechencev nahoditsja 26. Tochnost' ostal'nyh cifr takaja zhe. Naprimer, poteri boevikov v 153 cheloveka, kak vyjasnilos' segodnja, predstavljajut soboj rezul'tat PREDPOLOZhENIJ (a ne podscheta trupov, kak bylo ob'javleno generalami). Trupov vsego 42, iz nih 5 prinadlezhat OPOZNANNYM zalozhnikam. Ostal'nye 111 - "kak predpolagaetsja, utonuli v Tereke" i "kak predpolagaetsja, podobrany chechencami i uneseny". > Inache govoria, postoianno povtoriaemye mass-media slova o >massovoi gibeli zalojnikov ot ognia federal'nyh sil - polnaia >chush'; pri shturme Pervomaiskogo pogiblo zavedomo men'she mirnyh >jitelei, chem vo vremia sobstvenno zahvata Kizliara banditami. > Na samom dele vse eti slova proishodiat ot edinstvennogo >jurnalista (Iakova iz "Izvestii"), kotoryi dobralsia do sela i vse >izdaleka videl. > Videt'-to on videl, no, sudia po tomu, chto on po etomu >povodu napisal - on polnyi bolvan [ SKIP ] >vlastei. Standartnym janrom byla isterika diktora na fone Napomnju zajavlenie press-sekretarja FSB, chto zhivyh zalozhnikov v sele net, i s etogo momenta harakter operacii menjaetsja. Imenno posle etogo sostojalsja proryv blokady raduevcami. Rezonnyj vopros: eto byla shutka? Esli net, to skol'ko zalozhnikov bylo obrecheno na smert'? Do etogo osvobodilos' okolo 20 i pogiblo 15 zalozhnikov iz 150-200. Nikto ne oproverg soobschenija M.Udugova, chto v sredu Raduev predlozhil vypustit' bez vsjakih uslovij vseh zalozhnikov - grazhdanskih lic i dagestancev. Utverzhdaetsja, chto na vse popytki peredat' eto predlozhenie rossijskim vlastjam otvet byl "nikakih zalozhnikov v zhivyh net". No, konechno, my ne terpim nikakoj "isteriki na fone". > Malen'kii vopros nomer odin: kakogo cherta kolonnu voobshe >vpustili v naselennyi punkt? Nu ostanovili by ih v chistom pole i >libo shturmovali, libo prosto derjali oceplenie i jdali, poka oni >vymerznut na 10-gradusnom moroze. Kto "oni", zalozhniki? Kolonnu vpustili, potomu chto ne bylo plana. Poskol'ku na razrabotku plana uhodit ne menee nedeli. A ostanovit' nalichnymi vojskami, da bez plana - eto smeshno. Oni s vdesjatero bol'shimi vojskami i pri plane ne smogli ostanovit'... > Nomer dva: glavnyi pozor - to, chto bandity prorvalis'. >Voobshe-to davno pridumany koliuchaia provoloka, okopy i minnye >polia. Tak chto esli vziat' shturmom ukreplennuiu derevniu - >deistvitel'no ser'eznaia zadacha, to uj derjat' vokrug nee >oceplenie - delo nehitroe. Nu prignali by motostrelkovyi polk i >prikazali zaniat' oboronu soglasno ustavu! Vmesto etogo otdel'nye >otriady sideli v chistom pole v snegu bez okopov, kryshi, >goriachei pishi i normal'noi sviazi. Pro okopy ne znaju, a vot minnye polja i zagrazhdenija byli. Federal'naja gruppirovka, kstati, byla znachitel'no bol'she motostrelkovogo polka (3.5 tys. bojcov, po slovam Barsukova i Kulikova). Imenno minnye polja raschischali chas s lishnim chechency (soobschenie novosibirskogo OMONovca), a vovse ne perestrelivalis' so specnazom. Pomosch' ne podoshla ne potomu, chto v shtabe spali (podrazumevalsja li u Vas smajl?), a potomu chto proryv proishodil pri odnovremennom udare izvne s neskol'kih napravlenij. > Shef KGB v jalkoe opravdanie skazal, chto takogo masshtaba >terroristicheskih akcii v mire do sih por ne bylo, chto chistaia >pravda. Kak izvestno, pri "obychnom" osvobojdenii zalojnikov na >treh-piateryh terroristov s pistoletami prihoditsia sotnia >policeiskih s avtomatami. A operacija Entebbe? Sravnite uslovija i rezul'taty! I, nakonec, glavnoe: > Vot i predstav'te sebe bandu v 200 chelovek tipa dudaevskoi, >baziruiushuiusia v down-towne i vyhodiashuiu grabit' bogatye >prigorody. A takje predstav'te sebe down-town, gde iz kajdogo okna >mojet strel'nuit' granatomet. Ili obychnuiu kompaniiu rokerov - i >u kajdogo cherez plecho "Kalashnikov". Vpechatliaet? Net, ne vpechatljaet. POChEMU-TO etogo ne proishodit, hotja avtomat, granatomet i nosimyj ZRK pridumali uzhe davno. Kak-to spravljajutsja na rannej stadii silami policejskih osvedomitelej. Delo v tom, chto banda ne stremitsja k zahvatu vlasti - togda ischeznut bogatye (a vmeste s nimi vsja gorodskaja infrastruktura). Eto nalagaet estestvennuju granicu na moguschestvo bandy. A chechency vojujut za polnyj kontrol' nad svoej territoriej - eto VOJNA, veduschajasja (poroj) banditskimi metodami. Eto principial'no raznye zanjatija. > Vash Andrei. Prijatno bylo pochitat'. Vash Alik From root Mon Jan 29 17:07:16 1996 >From INFO-RUSS-request@smarty.ece.jhu.edu Mon Jan 29 17:07:15 1996 Return-Path: Received: from smarty.ece.jhu.edu by psi.ece.jhu.edu with SMTP; Mon, 29 Jan 1996 17:07:14 -0500 Received: by smarty.ece.jhu.edu (5.61/1.18jrs) id AA10312; Mon, 29 Jan 96 13:35:29 -0500 Errors-To: INFO-RUSS-request@smarty.ece.jhu.edu Sender: INFO-RUSS-request@smarty.ece.jhu.edu Precedence: bulk Received: from nenuphar.saclay.cea.fr by smarty.ece.jhu.edu (5.61/1.18jrs) id AA09923; Mon, 29 Jan 96 10:23:10 -0500 Received: from muguet.saclay.cea.fr by nenuphar.saclay.cea.fr (8.6.9/ CEANET-ROUTER-3.0) with ESMTP id QAA00764 for ; Mon, 29 Jan 1996 16:14:29 +0100 Received: from deborah.saclay.cea.fr by muguet.saclay.cea.fr (8.6.9/ CEANET-ROUTER-3.0) with SMTP id QAA01907 for ; Mon, 29 Jan 1996 16:18:31 +0100 Message-Id: <199601291518.QAA01907@muguet.saclay.cea.fr> Received: by deborah.saclay.cea.fr (1.38.193.4/CEANET.2.0.1) id AA07422; Mon, 29 Jan 1996 16:15:32 GMT From: Boris VELIKSON Subject: INFO-RUSS: Smert' Brodskogo To: info-russ@smarty.ece.jhu.edu Date: Mon, 29 Jan 96 16:15:32 "WET Status: RO --------------------------------------------------------------------- This is INFO-RUSS broadcast (1150+ subscribers). Home page, information, and archives: http://psi.ece.jhu.edu/~kaplan/IRUSS/inforuss.html To post, or to subscribe/unsubscribe, mail to info-russ@smarty.ece.jhu.edu INFO-RUSS is not responsible for the information supplied by its users or/and for their views. --------------------------------------------------------------------- Navsegda rasstaemsya s toboj, druzhok. Narisuj na bumage prostoj kruzhok. Eto budu ya: nichego vnutri. Posmotri na nego, a potom sotri. Umer Brodskij. V XX veke russkaja literatura ne byla bedna talantami. Umiral odin, ostavalis' drugie. Ne tri, tak dva, ne dva, tak odin. A vot mezhdu odnim i nulem - raznica nalichiya i otsutstviya. Sejchas - ne ostalos' nikogo. Brodskij uzhe umiral odin raz. I v svoem sobstvennom soznanii, i v soznanii ostavshihsya. Kogda v 72 godu ego vyperli, on ne mog predstavit' sebe svoego sushchestvovaniya vne goroda. Ego stihi posle etogo - stihi s togo sveta. (Ya ne hochu citirovat' dlya teh, kto ne chital: ne dlya etogo stihi pishutsya). V Leningrade zhe ostavshiesya poety "andergraunda" stali bodro sporit', kto iz nih pervyj piit Peterburga. Ibo uezzhavshie ne proyavlyalis' bol'she nikogda, a stalo byt', perestavali sushchestvovat'. Zhal', neplohie poety prinimali v etom uchastie, no chitat' ih bol'she ne hochetsya. Brodskij - dovol'no redkij, hotya ne unikal'nyj, primer lozhnoj slavy togo zhe urovnya, kotorogo dolzhna byla by byt' istinnaya. Drugoj hrestomatijnyj primer - Pushkin: kakoj zhe russkij ne znaet Pushkina? Tol'ko chitat' vot ego dlya etogo ne obyazatel'no. Brodskij - poet velikij, no kamernyj. Ne mogut ego lyubit' vse, ya ne pro narod, no dazhe pro iskrenne chitayushchuyu publiku. Ya imeyu pravo ob etom govorit': kogda ya govoril komu-nibud', chto Brodskij, kak mne kazhetsya, - poet urovnya Mandel'shtama, vo vtoroj polovine 60h godov eto vosprinimalos' kak eres' i preuvelichenie, granichivshee s neprilichiem. Byli metry, i byl mal'chishka Brodskij, nu, "Piligrimy" tam, "Vasil'evskij ostrov", no kakie-to paradniki; poet, konechno, soslali, svolochi, no v obshchem - protezhe Ahmatovoj, i ne nado preuvelichivat', i voobshche u vseh, s kem vlast' ploho oboshlas', poyavlyaetsya preuvelichennaya izvestnost'. Potom byl eshche period, kogda Brodskij byl poetom gorodskogo masshtaba: v Leningrade - "velikij", v stolice - predmet i primer piterskogo snobizma. Ya ochen' horosho pomnyu eto vremya, i kogda posle Nobelevskoj premii vdrug poyavilas' vsenarodnaya slava, dlya menya eto bylo koshchunstvo i licemerie. Ne dolzhno byt' slavy posle premii. Ne smotrite Nobelevskomu komitetu v zuby, chitajte sami. Za granicej zhe delo obstoyalo tak, kak vsegda obstoit. V Brown University Brodskogo ne izuchali, potomu chto on eshche ne umer. Izuchat' nado umershih, o nih mnenie ustoyalos'. (Poetomu izuchali "Cement" Gladkova, prichem v perevode). V U. of Connecticut Brodskogo prohodili. Izvestnejshaya rusistka harbinskogo prois\cydot hozhdeniya Irene Kirk sprashivala u studentov-oluhov: pochemu Brodskij napisal "Na Vasil'evskij Ostrov ya vernus' umirat'"? Oluhi ne znali. Mrs Kirk otvechala: potomu chto na Vasil'evskom Ostrove nahoditsya Universitet, t.e., stalo byt', eto vrode kak residential area vozle kampusa, tam-to i zhivut intelligentnye lyudi. Brodskij byl umen. Eto redkoe kachestvo u poeta. Kak-to poluchaetsya, chto obychno umenie rassuzhdat' meshaet neposredstvennomu proyavleniyu talanta, kak budto talant prohodit potokom ne cherez golovu, a pryamo na bumagu iz vozduha. Etim radikal'no otlichaetsya rannij - doot`ezdnyj - Brodskij ot posleot`ezdnogo. Do - on ne rassuzhdal, a perenosil na bumagu potok, s kotorym ne vsegda i spravlyalsya. Ya ochen' lyublyu eti stihi, v nih est' svezhest' i napor, kotorye on poteryal posle. Brodskij - razlyubil ih. On byl protiv ih perepechatki, i na vopros, neuzheli on ne lyubit dazhe "Shestvie", otvetil "Osobenno "Shestvie"". Eti stihi mnogim hotelos' polozhit' na muzyku, i inogda eto dazhe poluchalos', u Klyachkina i Mirzayana, hotya tut zhe oni zhe portili muzykoj drugie ego veshchi. Posle ot`ezda Brodskij stal intellektualen i sovershenen. U nego ischezli sluchajnye slova, i kazhdaya fraza stala mysl'yu. (Moya fraza zvuchit ironichno, i ona i byla by ironiej v otnoshenii kogo-nibud' drugogo. Brodskij nastol'ko talantliv, chto i v etoj ipostasi pisal genial'nye stihi - tol'ko drugie). Interesno bylo slushat', chto on govorit; pro kakogo eshche poeta vy eto mozhete skazat'? I Brodskij nikogda ne vysluzhivalsya, ni v kakoj ierarhii. Eto tozhe bol'shaya redkost' v Rossii. Mozhet byt', emu prosto povezlo. Predydushchim nado bylo vrat', chtoby poprostu vyzhit'. Ili, inogda, oni i vpravdu zaputyvalis' - eto proishodilo gorazdo chashche, chem sejchas hochetsya dumat', vziraya na sovetskij stroj s nashej chechenskoj vysoty. A potom - te, kto byli protiv, stali sozdavat' antiierarhii, i vpolne iskrenne vysluzhivat'sya v nih. Brodskij uehal nikem, a potom byl odin. Emu ne prishlos' imet' dela ni s kakoj iz etih ierarhij, i edinstvennoe, v chem on mog by raskaivat'sya - eto chto srazu posle vysylki napisal pis'mo Brezhnevu, gde prosilsya nazad. Nu tak ved' ne znal on, chto tak silen, chto sostoitsya i vne gnezda. Nebol'shoj eto greh. No ya ne dumayu, chto emu prosto povezlo. Brodskij obladal redkim v russkoj tradicii chuvstvom ironii. V Rossii est' smeh, satira, chernyj yumor; ironiya - eto chuvstvo mery, kogda tebya ne zanosit, i ty smeesh'sya lish' nad tem, chto lozhno. Dlya etogo nado obladat' etim chuvstvom lozhnogo. Brodskij im bezuslovno obladal, a kto eshche - srazu v golovu ne prihodit. Tochnee, est', konechno, no kak i intellektual'nost', eto svojstvo redko sochetaetsya s tvorcheskoj genial'nost'yu: tvorchestvo sintetichno, a ironiya analitichna, i vrode, im nechego delat' vmeste. An vot poluchilos'. Tak chto dumayu ya, chto protivno bylo by emu igrat' rol'. No vse-taki horosho, chto ne poprosili. Russkaya poeziya posle Brodskogo nahoditsya v strannom vide. On radikal'no izmenil sredstva vyrazheniya. Pisat' tak, kak do nego, uzhe nel'zya, no rezul'tat etogo obogashcheniya sovsem ne ocheviden: slishkom mnogo tekstov kazhutsya podrazhaniyami. Avos' utryasetsya - ili, avos', poyavitsya kto-to, komu nezachem budet pol'zovat'sya sredstvami Brodskogo. No eto lish' avos'. Konchilas' epoha Brodskogo. Ne dlya mnogih ona - epoha Brodskogo, no poprobujte podumat', kto ot nee ostanetsya cherez N let. Brodskij-to ostanetsya. Novaya epoha ne budet epohoj kakogo-libo poeta. Poka chto pohozhe, chto ona budet epohoj massovoj slepoty. B. Velkson From root Mon Jan 29 22:10:04 1996 >From INFO-RUSS-request@smarty.ece.jhu.edu Mon Jan 29 22:10:03 1996 Return-Path: Received: from smarty.ece.jhu.edu by psi.ece.jhu.edu with SMTP; Mon, 29 Jan 1996 22:10:02 -0500 Sender: INFO-RUSS-request@smarty.ece.jhu.edu Received: by smarty.ece.jhu.edu (5.61/1.18jrs) id AA11104; Mon, 29 Jan 96 20:55:39 -0500 Message-Id: <9601300155.AA11104@smarty.ece.jhu.edu> Received: from dynamo.ecn.purdue.edu by super.ece.jhu.edu (5.61/1.18jrs) id AA12912; Mon, 29 Jan 96 19:59:44 -0500 Received: from albrecht.ecn.purdue.edu (root@albrecht.ecn.purdue.edu [128.46.128.30]) by dynamo.ecn.purdue.edu (8.6.12/3.8davy) with ESMTP for delivery to "" id TAA25496; Mon, 29 Jan 1996 19:59:38 -0500 Received: from cellbio.wustl.edu (cellbio.wustl.edu [128.252.206.1]) by albrecht.ecn.purdue.edu (8.6.12/3.8davy) with ESMTP for delivery to "" id TAA03634; Mon, 29 Jan 1996 19:59:34 -0500 Received: from Harrislab.Wustl.edu ([128.252.206.59]) by cellbio.wustl.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.6) with SMTP id SAA08790 for ; Mon, 29 Jan 1996 18:56:23 -0600 Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 18:56:23 -0600 To: sasha@ecn.purdue.edu From: Alexander Gorodinsky Subject: INFO-RUSS: Summary on how to not get stuck in Motherland Status: RO --------------------------------------------------------------------- This is INFO-RUSS broadcast (1150+ subscribers). Home page, information, and archives: http://psi.ece.jhu.edu/~kaplan/IRUSS/inforuss.html To post, or to subscribe/unsubscribe, mail to info-russ@smarty.ece.jhu.edu INFO-RUSS is not responsible for the information supplied by its users or/and for their views. --------------------------------------------------------------------- Dear Sasha, A while ago I have posted on IR a request on behalf of a friend whose wife had an urgent need to go to Russia and get back without problems. I have received a decent amount of responses and forwarded all of them to the guy. There was also a number of requests to share the obtained info. I've bugged Boris (that's his name) for a long time to come up with some summary and he finally has given birth to one. Which one I forward to you and it's up to you whether to post it as is, cut into pieces or just dump. See - it's only the "owners and coordinators" who are free to do things in this free country :-). Sincerely, Sasha ============= Hi folks, that's the long-awaited summary from the friend on whose behalf I've asked your assitance with the problem "How to go to Russia and not get stuck there..." That's a bit too long for a summary but don't blame me. Blame Don Alejandro, that's definitely his romantic influence on Russian-speaking American community :-). ------------- First of all, I want to thank all comrades who responded to my inquiry and tried to help us in our dilemma. I am that "American guy" to whose problem my friend Alexander alluded in his message. An ex-Russian, actually - but that was long, long time ago. So long, I hardly remember when, and live a happier life for it. I brought my college-time sweetheart from Russia and married her, and thence acquired this problem. Here is the place to answer an oft-unstated question (and sometimes stated too) - How could she be so dumb to have changed her last name? And the truthful answer is - she did it for love. The most amusing for me was the opinion which often accompanied the question, which could be stated loosely "Our Government is reasonable." Our, meaning "ikhniy", Russkie government, that is. Perhaps the query could have been worded better. As it was, some of the advice we got did not make sense at all, or did not make sense for us. In this here summary, as we said in Texas (when I was in Texas) I ain't gonna mention those. My story will be also affected by my own personal knowledge of the situation, the rules and regulations here and there, experience of relatives and non-network friends, and also by my personal knowledge of Russia and it's people (which leads to my personal conviction that I won't go there if you paid me.) Having said that, here's the story: My wife has a Russian foreign passport in her maiden name and a Green card in her new name. She came here as a tourist, we got married, she got her status "adjusted" with the INS, got a green card, and never knew any trouble. She of course neglected to "register" with the Russian consulate, as one is supposed to do, and neglected to pay them the requisite fee, which is either $50 total or $50 yearly. Travelling abroad was not a problem, in fact we went on a European tour in November, visiting Germany, France, Switzerland, Italy and Spain. Three visas were required for her - United Europe, Italy and Switzerland, but getting them in Boston was no problem at all. And getting into the US requires just a Green card (plus a valid passport), nothing else. Just to make sure, we took with us our marriage certificate, but were never asked to show it. Now here is the problem as we saw it. She gets into Russia with no problem. On the way out she shows her tourist passport and a Green card in a different name, which only attracts attention of the pogranichniki. Even if they won't turn her around and tell her to change both internal and foreign passports for a new name, we learned on a good authority that Green Card is a sure indication to them that you live in America permanently. Which requires a "postoyannoye mestozhitelstvo" Russian foreign passport - unique among civilized nations, and uncivilized too. As we were told, "OMONovtsi s avtomatami zavorachivayut" such people. Enough to lose your appetite for days. So, the range of advice we got is here, in the increasing order of desirability: 1. Take all documents in triplicate, have them translated into Russian, submit kuda nado in Moscow, and in no time you'll be out of the Muvvaland. We estimated 3 months waiting in Russia. Cost in roubles unknown, cost in bribes unknown. Time spent queuing up in OVIR's corridors unknown. Those of you who dealt with the OVIR lately know it better than I. And just to think of an emotional price of being in jail again? No way, Jose. 2. Get American Re-entry permit, conceal your Russian citizenship (tell them you were a refugee before 1980 and legally rejected it), and try to get a Russian visa. It entailed waiting for the re-entry permit for about a week if you submit a justification of urgency (like a telegram that you relative is dying) suitably translated into English and certified, PLUS plausibly lying to the Russians in the Embassy. US Government shutdown added a twist to it. It turned out that passport issuance was deemed "non-essential." Our hope that re-entry permit issuance was "essential" had to be rather slim. They are all made up somewhere in Nebraska, so that the local congressional office can't help speed it up, as was the case 4 years ago. Additionally, Boston is not served by the Russian consulate in New York, one has to go to Washington, which is just a small comment on the notion that "Russian government is reasonable." For those who don't know, Re-Entry permit is issued by INS to permanent residents of the US, who want to travel abroad, but don't have their native passport or don't wish to use it for some reason. It looks somewhat like a passport, is white, narrower than the blue US Passport, and has pages for foreign visas and stamps. It also has an item "Claimed nationality", which would contain "Russian" in my wife's case, unless she lied to the INS and said "stateless" in her application. Which is not a good idea anyway, I mean lying to the INS, if you want to remain in their good graces. Re-entry permit is redundant if you have a green card and a valid passport. Could be useful if you lost your green card, or your passport expired but you didn't get American citizenship yet - that kind of thing. I know at least one case where getting such re-entry permit proved useless, because the Russians denied a visa, and the person had to use her Russian passport and pay $50 per year fine for all years she lived in the US not having registered with the Russian embassy. 3. Go to the Russian Embassy in Washington, pay your good $500 (yes, five hundred) and they will give you a piece of paper to the effect that you applied for a "postoyannoye mestozhitelstvo" passport, which you'll get in a year. Apparently the KGB will properly investigate you and see if you are a dostoyniy predstavitel'. Or something like that. But meanwhile, Muvvaland won't insist on keeping you locked up. Apart from the sheer cost of it all (including air fare to Washington, D.C., hotel, etc), paying good American dollars to the Muvvaland was the most distressing thing of all. Personally, I'd rather burn them. But at least this was a viable option. And probably cheaper than bribing the OMON. 4. The best advice of all came from two or three sources, including the Russian consul in NYC, who couldn't take $500 and give us that fil'kina gramota, but could give a good advice. Leave through the third country. That's exactly what my wife did. She went to the Lithuanian consulate in NYC and explained the situation. Normally, in invitation from someone in Lithuania is required for a guest visa for a Russian national. The good folks in NY consulate of Lithuania waived that requirement. The idea that the Muvvaland would be screwed out of 500 bucks must have appealed to them too. My wife was charged $7 ($5 + $2 for urgency). She flew Finnair, NY - Helsinki - StPetersburg. There she bought a train ticket to Vilnius and spend a comfortable night on the train, being only awaken by various pogranichniki of Baltic states, who probably looked for the kontraband. In Vilnius she boarded a Finnair plane to Helsinki, and then the same Helsinki-NY plane that she would have flown had she left from StPetersburg. That's it. many thanks to all who responded. We couldn't have managed without you. --------------

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From root Thu Feb 1 22:26:43 1996 >From INFO-RUSS-request@smarty.ece.jhu.edu Thu Feb 1 22:26:43 1996 Return-Path: Received: from smarty.ece.jhu.edu by psi.ece.jhu.edu with SMTP; Thu, 1 Feb 1996 22:26:42 -0500 Sender: INFO-RUSS-request@smarty.ece.jhu.edu Received: by smarty.ece.jhu.edu (5.61/1.18jrs) id AA08783; Thu, 1 Feb 96 20:12:08 -0500 Message-Id: <9602020112.AA08783@smarty.ece.jhu.edu> Received: from aurora.zoom.com by super.ece.jhu.edu (5.61/1.18jrs) id AA03001; Wed, 31 Jan 96 23:14:03 -0500 Received: (from bilbo@localhost) by aurora.romoidoy.com (8.6.12/Romoidoy-Non-Hub-112795) id SAA08375; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 18:35:52 -0800 Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 18:35:52 -0800 From: Bilbo Innovations To: info-russ@smarty.ece.jhu.edu Subject: INFO-RUSS: Sovokinform (S. Burkov) Status: RO --------------------------------------------------------------------- This is INFO-RUSS broadcast (1150+ subscribers). Home page, information, and archives: http://psi.ece.jhu.edu/~kaplan/IRUSS/inforuss.html To post, or to subscribe/unsubscribe, mail to info-russ@smarty.ece.jhu.edu INFO-RUSS is not responsible for the information supplied by its users or/and for their views. --------------------------------------------------------------------- ^Nizhnii Novgorod Governor Boris Nemtsov gave President Yeltsin a petition signed by one million residents of his region demanding that the war in Chechnya be ended and Russian troops be withdrawn. CRIMINAL PROCEEDINGS RESTARTED AGAINST STANKEVICH. Stankevich, formerly a political adviser to President Yeltsin, was accused of accepting a bribe of $10,000 for helping to arrange a concert of Russian classical music on Red Square in 1992. HOW A CONVICTED CRIMINAL WAS ELECTED TO THE DUMA. Mikhail Monastyrskii, convicted of four crimes and sentenced to a total of 20 years in prison, has become a Duma deputy on the party list of Vladimir Zhirinovsky's Liberal Democratic Party of Russia (LDPR). Zhirinovsky dropped Monastyrskii and 10 other candidates with a criminal past from the LDPR list in October. However, four days AFTER the December elections, the party asked the Central Electoral Commission (TsIK) to reinstate Monastyrskii on its list. The TsIK decided that Monastyrskii could be registered as a Duma deputy since its 29 November resolution removing him from the party list had not yet been officially published. ^ Kogda korr Izvestij sprosil odnogo funkcionera LDPR, pochemu obychno gorduj Zhirik presmykalsya pered CIKom iz-za Monastyrskogo, tot lyapnul, chto "Monastyrskij dlya Zhirinovskogo vse ravno chto Parvus dlya Lenina" (Imeya vvidu tot fact chto bol'shevikov real'no finansiroval Parvus.) Funkcioner oseksya i nachal umolyat' korrespondenta ni pri kakih obstoyatel'stvah ne vydavat' ego imeni. "Dazhe pod pytkoj," - popytalsya otshutit'sya zhurnalist. "Po vyrazheniyu lica funkcionera ya ponyal, chto moya shutka okazalas' yavno neumestnoj." ^ BEETHOVEN did it apassionately ^ From root Fri Feb 2 02:13:17 1996 >From INFO-RUSS-request@smarty.ece.jhu.edu Fri Feb 2 02:13:17 1996 Return-Path: Received: from smarty.ece.jhu.edu by psi.ece.jhu.edu with SMTP; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 02:13:16 -0500 Received: by smarty.ece.jhu.edu (5.61/1.18jrs) id AA08529; Thu, 1 Feb 96 19:53:52 -0500 Message-Id: <9602020053.AA08529@smarty.ece.jhu.edu> Errors-To: INFO-RUSS-request@smarty.ece.jhu.edu Sender: INFO-RUSS-request@smarty.ece.jhu.edu Precedence: bulk Received: from alumni.uark.edu by smarty.ece.jhu.edu (5.61/1.18jrs) id AA10907; Fri, 15 Dec 95 20:25:48 -0500 Received: from alumni-ppp3.uark.edu (alumni-ppp3.uark.edu [130.184.14.33]) by alumni.uark.edu (8.6.12/940701.01) with SMTP id TAA01347 for ; Fri, 15 Dec 1995 19:22:57 -0600 Received: by alumni-ppp3.uark.edu with Microsoft Mail id <01BACB24.22EC90A0@alumni-ppp3.uark.edu>; Fri, 15 Dec 1995 19:32:57 -0600 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Gary_Von_Herg=E9?= To: "'info-russ@smarty.ece.jhu.edu'" Date: Fri, 15 Dec 1995 19:04:11 -0600 Status: RO --------------------------------------------------------------------- This is INFO-RUSS broadcast (1150+ subscribers). Home page, information, and archives: http://psi.ece.jhu.edu/~kaplan/IRUSS/inforuss.html To post, or to subscribe/unsubscribe, mail to info-russ@smarty.ece.jhu.edu INFO-RUSS is not responsible for the information supplied by its users or/and for their views. --------------------------------------------------------------------- I am looking for a list of US/Western firms that are heavily engaged in = either exporting to or importing from Russia/Eastern Europe. If you = know of any, please send me their names, telephone & fax numbers, email = ids/website URLs. Thanks. =20 Gary (E-Mail address =3D gherge@alumni.uark.edu) From root Fri Feb 2 02:24:22 1996 >From INFO-RUSS-request@smarty.ece.jhu.edu Fri Feb 2 02:24:22 1996 Return-Path: Received: from smarty.ece.jhu.edu by psi.ece.jhu.edu with SMTP; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 02:24:21 -0500 Received: by smarty.ece.jhu.edu (5.61/1.18jrs) id AA08542; Thu, 1 Feb 96 19:54:03 -0500 Message-Id: <9602020054.AA08542@smarty.ece.jhu.edu> Errors-To: INFO-RUSS-request@smarty.ece.jhu.edu Sender: INFO-RUSS-request@smarty.ece.jhu.edu Precedence: bulk Received: from amber.ccs.neu.edu by smarty.ece.jhu.edu (5.61/1.18jrs) id AA24597; Mon, 8 Jan 96 04:50:03 -0500 Received: from denali.ccs.neu.edu (aromanov@denali.ccs.neu.edu [129.10.113.75]) by amber.ccs.neu.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with ESMTP id EAA01190 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 04:50:02 -0500 (EST) From: Alexey Romanov Received: (aromanov@localhost) by denali.ccs.neu.edu (8.6.12/8.6.4) id EAA07603 for info-russ@smarty.ece.jhu.edu; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 04:50:01 -0500 Date: Mon, 8 Jan 1996 04:50:01 -0500 To: info-russ@smarty.ece.jhu.edu Subject: INFO-RUSS: Immigration Question Status: RO --------------------------------------------------------------------- This is INFO-RUSS broadcast (1150+ subscribers). Home page, information, and archives: http://psi.ece.jhu.edu/~kaplan/IRUSS/inforuss.html To post, or to subscribe/unsubscribe, mail to info-russ@smarty.ece.jhu.edu INFO-RUSS is not responsible for the information supplied by its users or/and for their views. --------------------------------------------------------------------- Dear Netters! I am looking for an advice of someone who is familiar with US immigration laws. I am a permanent US resident, and have wife in Russia. We are married for 3.5 years. Her application for immigration to the US (form I-130) is approved, but there is a "waiting period" for another 2 years that separates our family. Her temporary visit to the US is also excluded, according to the immigration laws. If you know a possible way to overcome this delay, or any other applicable laws, I would appreciate to hear from you. Please e-mail to aromanov@ccs.neu.edu Thank you in advance Regards Alexey From root Fri Feb 2 02:39:34 1996 >From INFO-RUSS-request@smarty.ece.jhu.edu Fri Feb 2 02:39:33 1996 Return-Path: Received: from smarty.ece.jhu.edu by psi.ece.jhu.edu with SMTP; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 02:39:32 -0500 Received: by smarty.ece.jhu.edu (5.61/1.18jrs) id AA08536; Thu, 1 Feb 96 19:53:57 -0500 Message-Id: <9602020053.AA08536@smarty.ece.jhu.edu> Errors-To: INFO-RUSS-request@smarty.ece.jhu.edu Sender: INFO-RUSS-request@smarty.ece.jhu.edu Precedence: bulk Received: from CP.Duluth.MN.US by smarty.ece.jhu.edu (5.61/1.18jrs) id AA04777; Sun, 24 Dec 95 13:24:01 -0500 Received: from [204.220.140.123] (S23.CP.Duluth.MN.US [204.220.140.123]) by CP.Duluth.MN.US (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA04377 for ; Sun, 24 Dec 1995 12:23:42 -0600 Date: Sun, 24 Dec 1995 12:24:08 +0300 To: info-russ@smarty.ece.jhu.edu From: sgybin@cp.duluth.mn.us (Alexander Gybin) Subject: INFO-RUSS: Russian (and foreign) movies Status: R --------------------------------------------------------------------- This is INFO-RUSS broadcast (1150+ subscribers). Home page, information, and archives: http://psi.ece.jhu.edu/~kaplan/IRUSS/inforuss.html To post, or to subscribe/unsubscribe, mail to info-russ@smarty.ece.jhu.edu INFO-RUSS is not responsible for the information supplied by its users or/and for their views. --------------------------------------------------------------------- Status: OR Dear netters, a while ago I posted request asking where to find quality tapes of Russian (Czech, Polish, so on) movies. I have got more than 50 responses (thanks to all who replied and provided the information) and about the same number of the inquiries to share my future findings. So, there they are: 1. Movies Unlimited. They have about 70 well known and some new Russian movies and ~50 documentaries. Call 1-800-523-0823 to order catalogue ($10.95, they accept credit cards). The prices are high ($20-80) but they often go down to $20. The quality is american standard, all movies are subtitled (some dubbed). The catalogue is a good source of foreign movies (Italy, France, Germany, Poland...). 2. Home Film Festival - an expellent sours of foreign (~50 Russian titles) movies. Quality is american standard. Here one do not have to buy tape(s) which are $20-80 but rent it instead for 3 days ($6 + s/h). There is also a fee ($15) to become a member and to receive their catalogue. Call (800)-258-3456. 3. I did not order from this source yet but it looks like this Russian owned company sell ORIGINALS (~200 movies and documentaries), many subtitled and dubbed, prices $20-50. "Russian Cinema", Polygon Plaza 2050 Center Ave., Suite 355, Fort Lee, NJ 07024; phone: (201) 944-8786. There are also some others American-owned companies but I did not find any price/choice of the movies advantage there. Merry Christmas and Happy new year to all, Alex Gybin From root Fri Feb 2 02:42:26 1996 >From INFO-RUSS-request@smarty.ece.jhu.edu Fri Feb 2 02:42:25 1996 Return-Path: Received: from smarty.ece.jhu.edu by psi.ece.jhu.edu with SMTP; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 02:42:24 -0500 Received: by smarty.ece.jhu.edu (5.61/1.18jrs) id AA08548; Thu, 1 Feb 96 19:54:12 -0500 Message-Id: <9602020054.AA08548@smarty.ece.jhu.edu> Errors-To: INFO-RUSS-request@smarty.ece.jhu.edu Sender: INFO-RUSS-request@smarty.ece.jhu.edu Precedence: bulk Received: from amanda.dorsai.org by smarty.ece.jhu.edu (5.61/1.18jrs) id AA17899; Sat, 13 Jan 96 17:28:55 -0500 From: stuart kasdan Received: by dorsai.dorsai.org (5.67b/23Dec93-Dorsai Embassy) id AA23097; Sat, 13 Jan 1996 17:26:37 -0500 Subject: INFO-RUSS: employment in Russia To: info-russ@smarty.ece.jhu.edu Date: Sat, 13 Jan 1996 17:26:36 -0500 (est) Cc: kasdan@amanda.dorsai.org (Stuart H. Kasdan) Status: RO --------------------------------------------------------------------- This is INFO-RUSS broadcast (1150+ subscribers). Home page, information, and archives: http://psi.ece.jhu.edu/~kaplan/IRUSS/inforuss.html To post, or to subscribe/unsubscribe, mail to info-russ@smarty.ece.jhu.edu INFO-RUSS is not responsible for the information supplied by its users or/and for their views. --------------------------------------------------------------------- I am interested in some appropriate contract work or other limited time employment in Russia or the FSU. Would any of you people happen to know of any openings for which people would consider a Physicist with my training and experience? I have a PhD in Physics [High energy Theory from Brown University], several years of postdoctoral appointments in academic High Energy Theory [Rutgers; Princeton; Imperial College, London; ICTP, Trieste], plus several years of independent contract work [mostly mathematical modeling with some programming]. There is also several years of highly non-trivial industrial research experience in Condensed Matter and Polymer Physics [Theory and Experiment] at RCA [Sarnoff] Labs., Continental Can Co., Avery International. As you can see, I am basically a fairly well rounded physicist with some reasonable amount of science related computer experience. I consider myself to be versatile, enthusiastic, and very good at making significant contributions while getting into new things. If you think you know where there might be some interest in me for limited time employment, please let me know. I can, of course, get a resume ou