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"All channels are open: war in Chechnya!" (from coordinator)


From: sasha@super.ece.jhu.edu (Alexander Kaplan)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 94 00:13:22 EST
To: info-russ@smarty.ece.jhu.edu
Subject:INFO-RUSS:here they go again...

Folks,
Another Afghanistan of 1980 (or Czechoslovakia of 1968)? Russian tanks 
invaded Chechnya. After slaughtering their own parliament using
tanks a year ago, they are closing the circle by striking the entire, 
albeit small, nation. Tsars, or commies, or stalins, or yeltsyns, or 
zhirinovskies, or generals, whatever -- doesn't matter... the same old 
Russ-expansionist, world-hating shit is back in saddle again... So much 
for all these exuberant cries about great Russian democracy rising like 
a new sun... Sure, let us keep feeding them with billions and billions 
bucks from our taxpayer pockets -- otherwise, how those poor, poor former 
commies, KGBs, thieves and looters, rapists and killers, how they would 
build that new shinning democracy without our money ?! And if they want 
to play a bit with those little toy-tanks -- let them; boys will always 
be boys, right?; and who wants to hear about those Chechens? who are they, 
anyway? and after all, the oil... well, it is always better to have oil 
rigs and oil pipe in the same hands, easier to do business, you know...

OK, I gather that following its tradition, this IR-net would be interested 
to hear the news from the front-line. Any witness's accounts, any first-hand 
information especially from "the horse's mouth" would be greatly appreciated. 
News (and impressions) from both sides of the border (especially from the 
other side, for I guess there will be plenty views coming from Russian
side) are welcome. 

(Those of you who are more "patriotic" about Russia alone, don't forget: 
the aggressor pretty often pays bitter price. And it is paid by 
soldiers and their families, not by the bastards in headquarters...)

--Alex Kaplan, INFO-RUSS owner/coordinator 



"The first night without lool.." (by A. Suhanov from Moscow)

From: "Alexander A. Suhanov" Date: Wed, 14 Dec 1994 21:08:07 +0300 Hi, folks! Nastupila noch' - pervaja noch' na Kavkaze, ne prinesshaja spada ogn'a. Prodolzhajets'a boj v prigorode Groznogo - poselke Pervomajskij, kotoryj polnost'ju razrushen. Tem vremenem v zajavlenijah pravitel'stvennyh chinov - vazhnoje izmenenije: vmesto slov "vojska ne imejut prikaza brat' Groznyj" oni stali govorit' "vojska ne imejut prikaza brat' Groznyj do 15 dekabr'a". V stolice Ingushetii Nazrani vojska segodn'a pristupili k prochesyvaniju goroda i razoruzheniju milicii. Ochen' hochets'a, chtoby v etu minutu ne byli zabyty nami tovarischi g-na E po Internacionalu Prezidentov, vtoroj raz za poltora goda podderzhavshih ego dobrym uchastijem v trudnuju minutu sovershenija prestup- lenija. Kto, skazhem, t'anul za jazyk mr.Cristofer nazyvat' dejstvija EBN ne tol'ko konstitucionnymi i legal'nymi (chto bylo by pon'atno, hot'a i neverno), no takzhe poleznymi i neobhodimymi? Mozhet byt', on ili Clinton porabotajet u nas prezidenton? Vcherashnij demarsh Borisa Fedorova v podderzhku EBN ne nashel podderzhki u togo vo frakcii ("Sojuz 12 dekabr'a"). Jego zamestitel' Mihail Kiselev skazal: "Ogromnoje bol'shinstvo russkih gotovy priznat' nezavisimost' CH. i ne gotovy vojevat'". Eto besspornaja pravda, i skladyvajets'a vpechatlenie, chto za E tol'ko armija (+policija) i Internacional P. Pl'us ogolteluje shovinisty, koih on v proshlom godu rasstrelival. Esche segodn'a, v godovschinu smerti A.D.Saharova, na jego mogilu vozlozhili venki "Ot Prezidenta RF" (sam P na l'ud'ah ne pokazyvajets'a). Pustoje, zanesennoje snegom Vostr'akovskoje kladbische, mogila, okruzhennaja tolpoj ubijc, otorvavshihs'a na chasok ot krovavogo pira radi pominal'nogo obr'ada... Eto huzhe smerti - no mnogoje huzhe smerti, my proshli cherez to, chto huzhe smerti, god nazad i "zhivem" dal'she - eto huzhe zabvenija. Gosudarstvennaja teleradiokompanija Ostankino privatizirovana. Prezidentom izbran grazhdanin RF El'cin Boris Nikolajevich.

"Refugies are shot by tanks..." (by A. Suhanov from Moscow)

From: "Alexander A. Suhanov" Date: Sun, 18 Dec 1994 01:36:59 +0300 Poslednie novosti takie: posle zasedanija Soveta Bezopasnosti RF, proishodivshego v bol'nitse (eto ne jumor!) resheno posle polunochi s subboty na voskresen'e bombit' Groznyj, a dnem ego brat' (oni protestujut protiv slova "brat'", govorja "eto ne shturm Berlina, prosto vojti, podavljaja soprotivlenie". Sejchas, po soobscheniju S.A.Kovaleva (on v Groznom s esche odnim deputatom-vyborossom, odnim jablokovtsem i odnim kommunistom), nad gorodom slyshen rev bombardirovschikov, no bombezhka (na 1 chas nochi po Moskve) ne nachalas'. Poka bombezhki esche ofitsial'no ne proishodili, po otsenke Kovaleva, bylo ubito bombami desjatki, raneno mnogie desjatki. On sam videl razrushennuju bomboj "hruschobu". V gorode neftezavody, gazohranilische i elektrostantsii, a takzhe mikrobiologicheskij zavod. Naznachen gubernator Groznogo - ministr natsional'nostej Egorov (sygravshij bol'shuju rol' v poslednih sobytijah). Segodnja tankisty vozle stanitsy Osinovskoj Ingushskoj respubliki rasstreljali neskol'ko mashin s bezhentsami iz Chechni. Voobsche ves' den' oni veli ogon' po vsemu dvizhuschemusja. Kstati, opublikovany svedenija ob itogah stolknovenij vojsk s naseleniem Ingushetii pri prohoddenii zapadnoj kolonny: ubito zhitelej 6 (imja ministra zdravoohranenija Ingushetii, o zverskom ubijstve kotorogo ja upominal - Tamerlan Gorhanov, da budet blagosloven), raneno okolo 40, sozhzheno domov 10, v tom chisle 1 mechet'. Poteri vojsk: 1 (odin) ubit po oshibke sosluzhivtsem iz pulemeta. Poterjano (sozhzheno ingushami i chastichno spuscheno pod led) mashin 70, iz nih bronirovannyh 29. V obschem, zveri-musul'mane. Posle togo, kak ja zasvetilsja v shkole (soobschil cherez komp'juternuju set' o svoej pozitsii), menja vtoroj den' osazhdajut deti i studenty, trebuja ob'jasnit'sja. Po moej otsenke, 20% teh, kto opredelilsja, za vtorzhenie i reshitel'nye mery. Eto sootvetstvuet obschej statistike po Rossii (i eto dlja Rossii malo, no dlja 57 shkoly - bezumno mnogo). Pozitsii ih ot "moja strana, prava ona ili net" do "raz uzh vlezli, nado konchat'". Est' i pozitsija (odin chelovek) "davit' vsju etu svoloch'". Mnogo teh, kto spravedlivo ponjal, chto nikakoj srednej pozitsii (kak u Gajdara - pokorit' pod nozi, no kak-nibud' bez smertoubijstva) na samom dele ne byvaet, a vybor - mezhdu genotsidom i priznaniem nezavisimosti; i eto ih ispugalo. Prichem nezavisimost' - bol'she, chem genotsid. Zasim konchaju pros'boj: ne pokidajte nas! Retranslirujte nashu pozitsiju cherez universitetskie kanaly, pishite v gazety. Pomogite! MAYDAY! Vash Alik

Radio Svoboda keeps watch... (RFE/RL, Radio Liberty Broadcast)

From: rferl-daily-report Subject:INFO-RUSS: RFE/RL Daily Report 19 DEC, 1994 The RFE/RL DAILY REPORT--a digest of the latest developments in Russia, Transcaucasia and Central Asia, and Central and Eastern Europe--is published Monday through Friday (except German holidays) by the RFE/RL Research Institute, a division of Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty, Inc. Copyright 1994 RFE/RL, Inc. --------------------------------------------------------------- Excerpts from RFE/RL Daily Report No. 238, 19 December 1994 RFE/RL Research Institute is a division of Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty, Inc. *********************************** OFFENSIVE ON GROZNY. The one Russian column approaching Grozny continued using artillery and aerial power against Chechen positions and residential areas as well as engaging Chechen forces in tactical clashes, Russian and Western media reported. Moscow's official toll of 16 Russians killed through 16 December is generally deemed understated. The Russian side has yet to acknowledge the Chechen civilian casualties, estimated to number in the hundreds. One major official justification for the intervention is to protect the physical security of the Chechens, in their capacity as Russian Federation citizens, in connection with the "inter-Chechen conflict." -- Vladimir Socor, RFE/RL, Inc. RUSSIAN GENERAL: LAW AND HUMANITY ABOVE ORDERS. On 15 and 16 December Major-General Ivan Babichev, commander of one of the three Russian columns moving toward Grozny, publicly announced that he was halting the advance and would refuse to use force against civilians. The military operation against Chechnya was unlawful and inhumane, and any orders to attack the population or residential areas would be "criminal," Babichev said. He made the statements to Russian and Western journalists and in a fraternizing encounter with a predominantly female Chechen peasant crowd astride his column's path. He also strongly implied that a nighttime attack by unidentified forces against his column had probably been orchestrated by Russian security services in order to provoke an attack on the Chechen. Officers from various elements of the column told the press that they had prepared letters of resignation from the military and would submit them if ordered to attack. Comprised of several hundred tanks and armored vehicles, elements of a motor rifle division and of the elite Pskov paratrooper division, MVD units, and other elements, Babichev's column had refrained from challenging civilian crowds thwarting its advance through Ingushetia and Chechnya toward Grozny. The column's head is still reported 35 kilometers from Grozny and its rear still in Ingushetia. Another column seems to be marking time on the Dagestan-Chechnya border. -- Vladimir Socor, RFE/RL, Inc. ETHNIC RUSSIANS ALSO VICTIMS. Ethnic Russians, whose share in the population of Grozny and environs remains substantial, are being made to suffer the rigors of bombardment and blockade alongside the indigenous Chechen population. Respected human rights campaigner and Duma deputy Sergei Kovalev told RIA on 16 December that "many of the industrial and residential buildings on the outskirts of Grozny have been destroyed." Outside Grozny, hardest hit by Russian forces has been the predominantly Russian-inhabited town of Pervomayskoe. Ethnic Russians interviewed by Russian and Western media express indignation at Moscow's use of force which puts their lives at risk. Reports from the field also speak of the emergence of a sense of solidarity among local ethnic Russians and Chechens in the face of common adversity. There are no reports of Chechen threats of any kind to local Russians. One of the justifications for the Russian intervention had been the presumed need to protect ethnic Russians in Chechnya. -- Vladimir Socor, RFE/RL, Inc. SHEVARDNADZE SUPPORTS RUSSIAN ACTION IN CHECHNYA. Russia must defend its national interests and territorial integrity in Chechnya, Eduard Shevardnadze told ITAR-TASS on 18 December. Shevardnadze said Georgia supports a united and indivisible Russia, because if Moscow will not curtail an "aggressive separatism," it could lead to the disintegration of the Russian Federation. Georgia, which has a joint border with Chechnya, has, of course, a special reason to support military action against Dudaev; it has its own separatist territory, Abkhazia, and Shevardnadze hopes that the Chechen example will help legitimize Georgian policy towards its secessionist state. -- Victor Yasmann, RFE/RL, Inc.

Old dissies rise their voice again... (coordinator & RL)

From: sasha@super.ece.jhu.edu (Alexander Kaplan) Date: Thu, 22 Dec 94 22:45:07 EST Subject:INFO-RUSS:pishite nam, pishite po starym addressam... To: info-russ@smarty.ece.jhu.edu Status: OR Dear IR-folks, Below is another excerpt from RFE/RL Daily Report No. 241, 22 December 1994, on "reopened" dissident movement and samizdat in Russia. I just want to make a little comment on the report below by Julia Wishnevsky, an old dissy herself, who is usually well informed and write good reports. She wrote "all four participants in the 1968 demonstration against the Soviet invasion of Czechoslovakia who are still alive--Larisa Bogoraz, Pavel Litvinov, Nataliya Gorbanevskaya, and Viktor Fainberg --have signed a petition condemning the Russian intervention in Chechnya". It is good to know that my own instincts (I am talking here about Chechnya) are still the same as that of the people whom I used to know personally for many years, to know both as brilliant and talanted individuals and as bravest and honest to earth dissidents, pioneers in open opposition to the sov-system, people with whom I had had an honor of having my signature to appear on the same protest letters 28 years ago and later. It is so good to hear their names and voices again, to know they are the same brave and outspoken dissies, soul and heart... The only thing is that, thanks God, they are not "all ... participants ... still alive". There were seven of them at that demonstration in Red Square in 1968. Vadik Delone died in Paris about 10 years ago; and unfortunately at this point I don't know anything about Kostya Babitsky, but the 7-th demonstrator, Volodya Dremlyuga, it quite alive in NJ (at least as of an hour ago when I spoke with him on the phone:-). Good for him; after 6 years spent by him in the worst sov-camps, he can use some extra time on this earth... It is my pleasure to let those of you who remember my posting about "7 in Red Square" know that the rumors of him not being alive are a bit exaggerated:-) --Alex Kaplan, INFO-RUSS owner/coordinator --------------------------------------------------------------- Excerpt from RFE/RL Daily Report No. 241, 22 December 1994 --------------------------------------------------------------- CHECHNYA: SOVIET DISSIDENT MOVEMENT REVISITED. The invasion of Chechnya has revived forms of activity typical of dissidents in the Brezhnev era, many of whom had hitherto supported President Yeltsin. Apart from the veteran human rights activists Sergei Kovalev and Mikhail Molostvov, whose actions in Grozny have been covered in the Daily Report, as many as 17 former political prisoners signed the appeal protesting against the invasion (Express-Khronika, 16 December 1994). Elena Bonner, a founding member of the Moscow Helsinki group and the widow of the Nobel prize winner Andrei Sakharov, declared in an open letter that Yeltsin could not remain Russia's president if the invasion were to continue. Finally, all four participants in the 1968 demonstration against the Soviet invasion of Czechoslovakia who are still alive--Larisa Bogoraz, Pavel Litvinov, Nataliya Gorbanevskaya, and Viktor Fainberg--have signed a petition condemning the Russian intervention in Chechnya. Since no Russian newspaper has published their petition so far, it is circulated in samizdat form among Moscow human rights activists. Julia Wishnevsky, RFE/RL, Inc.

Boris Velikson writes to the US President

From: Boris VELIKSON Subject: INFO-RUSS: letters to the White House To: info-russ@smarty.ece.jhu.edu Date: Fri, 23 Dec 94 19:44:41 "WET Folks: Here is a copy of the letter I sent by e-mail to Clinton and Gore. Even though the probability of such letters having an effect is low, it cannot hurt. I think it is a good idea, for those who share my point of view and are ready to spend several minutes, to send such letters by e-mail individually. Unlike Maxim Poliashenko, I do not think that only US citizens have the right to do so. If you have an opinion, give it, whichever your status is. You are at least as qualified as any US sovietologist. Boris Velikson ____________ President Clinton White House Washington, DC Boris Velikson Section de Biophysique des proteines et des membranes DBCM Centre d'Etudes de Saclay 91191 Gif-sur-Yvette Cedex France December 23, 1994 Dear Mr President: as a US citizen and as a former Soviet citizen, I urge you to stop considering the situation in Chechnya as a a Russian internal affair. This is a major event for the future of not only the Caucasus region, but of the world as a whole. During the 16 years that I have been living in the West, the incapability of the US government to evaluate events in Russia in their full context and on time, as well as the experts' failure to correctly predict their consequences, has become anecdotic. However, it is not too late at the moment to use the whole weight of the US political and economic strength in order to try preventing Russia from becoming a threat for humanity once again. The current events mark a threshold in the short history of the post- Soviet regime in Russia. For the first time, the government's troops are openly killing innocent people for purely imperialist (moreover, nonrealistic) purposes. Personally, I cannot any more feel different about the current Russian government than I felt about the Soviet regime. There is no legality to a government that murders civilians, whether or not such a government has come to being in a democratic fashion. I would like to remind you that Hitler came to power democratically. It is important to understand that what is happening now has nothing to do with any inter- or intra-ethnic conflict, or with the question whether or not the right of the Chechen people to self-determination should be recognized. The situation, complex in the past, has become crystal clear. The lives being destroyed now are not the price to pay for saving other lives (even if one recognizes to a government the right to decide who will die instead of whom). The children killed by Russian bombs in Grozny died simply to satisfy someone's criminal ambitions. The so-called East-West conflict has often been misrepresented as a conflict between world powers. This is false. The Soviet regime was a worse enemy of its people than of the US as a state. The current government has become MY enemy - it has shown that it would easily kill me or you or whosoever if our house happens to stand on its way. The political situation is unstable in Russia. It seems that only some 20 per cent of the population are in favor of this war. This means that an external influence may help shifting the balance and stop the bloodshed. I urge you to stop any governmental help to the Russian government. Stop dealing with criminals! Yours sincerely, Boris Velikson, Ph.D. cc: Vice President Gore White House Washington, DC

They were stopped on the New Year eve...

To: info-russ@smarty.ece.jhu.edu Organization: School N57 From: "Alexander A. Suhanov" Date: Tue, 3 Jan 1995 02:01:10 +0300 Subject: INFO-RUSS: "Chudo na Sunzhe"? Hi, folks! Naskol'ko mozhno sudit', rossijskaja gruppirovka, prorvavshajasja v Groznyj v novogodnjuju noch', unichtozhena. Do kontsa dnja ofitsial'nye istochniki tverdili o "polnom kontrole nad gorodom" i "planomernom unichtozhenii boevikov", kakovye versii plavno zamenilis' na "otvod chasti vojsk na pereformirovanie". Russkie soldaty shli na shturm polugolodnymi; vzjat v plen russkij soldat, nastupavshij v botinkah na bosu nogu (noski otnjali starshie tovarischi). Gorod takzhe prakticheski razrushen, s segodnjashnego utra vozobnovilis' nalety na uzhe ruiny Groznogo. Informatsionnaja obstanovka takova: gazety ne vyhodjat (novogodne-rozhdestvenskie kanikuly), gosudarstvennoe TV opaslivo zhmetsja pod pressom tsenzury (kogda katastrofu stalo skryvat' nevozmozhno, otnositel'no liberal'noe Rossijskoe TV peredalo soodschenija o nej so slovami "eto ofitsial'noe soobschenie Pravitel'stva Ingushetii"). Dlja bol'shinstva, ne slushajuschego "Svobody", informatsionnoj otdushinoj sluzhat peredachi stantsij, prinadlezhaschih konkurirujuschej s E finansovo-politicheskoj gruppe mera Moskvy Luzhkova "Most". Eto televidenie NTV i radio "Eho Moskvy". Oni rabotajut dovol'no smelo, ibo ponimajut: im nechego terjat'. Pohozhe, g-n E v sluchae pobedy vse ravno nikogo ne poschadit. Vo vsjakom sluchae, sotrudniki ego lichnoj tajnoj politsii (organizovavshej nalet v maskah na gruppu "Most") ne skryvajut, chto budut "spasat' Rossiju ot rusofobov, zapadnikov i mafii". Moj lichnyj opyt prodolzhaet davat' podtverzhdenija tomu, chto nastroenija intellektual'noj elity gorazdo bolee militaristskie, chem obschestva v tselom. Mezhdu prochim, stoit opasat'sja rasprostranenija politicheskogo raskola intelligentsii na sferu ekspertnyh otsenok nauchnyh zaslug kolleg, naprimer pri vydelenii grantov Sorosa. Stoit obratit' vnimanie na predposylki etogo: 1. Zakrytyj i "vnutrishkol'nyj" harakter ekspertizy v Rossii. 2. Ochevidnaja, no poka ne zlostnaja diskriminatsija uchenyh s nepravil'nymi politicheskimi vzgljadami (nezlostnaja potomu, chto ih bylo malo i sredi nih ne bylo osobo krupnyh uchenyh). Vo vsjakom sluchae, opyt diskriminatsii est'. Eto poka nichem ne podtverzhdennye opasenija, no stoit pobespokoit'sja zaranee, chtoby etogo ne sluchilos'. Vash Alik

Idiots are forever... (by A. Andrianov)

From burkov@lassp.cornell.edu Wed Jan 4 14:37 EST 1995 Date: Wed, 4 Jan 95 13:28:50 EST From: "Sergei Burkov" To: info-russ@smarty.ece.jhu.edu Subject: INFO-RUSS: Sovokinform From: SMTP%"andr@hohlov.msk.su" 4-JAN-1995 (sokraqeno) IDIOTIZM NE LECHITSIA. 02 Jan.95 Proizoshlo samoe hudshee (i durackoe) iz togo, chto moglo. Neponiatno s kakoi stati voiska vdrug sorvalis' s mesta i brosilis' shturmovat' Groznyi (v novogodniuiu noch'!). Poskol'ku, kak uje govorilos', shturm gorodov sovremennoi voennoi naukoi ne predusmotren - poluchilos' to, chto i doljno bylo. Kolonny tankov i bronetransporterov vtianulis' v gorod i byli postepenno rasstreliany v upor iz granatometov, poprostu iz okon domov - priamo v borta, pod priamym uglom. Prichem (vidimo, dlia pushei nerazberihi) shturm ustroili noch'iu. Uchityvaia, chto soldaty goroda ne znaiut, a mestnye, naoborot, znaiut - rezul'tat legko predstavit'. Eststvenno, soldaty, kotorym jit' hotelos', streliali "po vsemu, chto dvijetsia". Rezul'taty plachevnye. Oficial'nye istochniki soobshili o "peregruppirovke voisk", chto, kak izvestno, oznachaet, chto dela plohi. Po nezavisimym dannym, podbito pod 100 (sto!) tankov i BTR, poteri voisk schitaiutsia na sotni, poteri mestnyh - na tysiachi. Sudia po vsemu, v nejilyh promyshlennyh raionah (neftepererabatyvaiushii zavod) i, vozmojno, v novostroikah voiska vse-taki zakrepilis'. No v centre, pohoje, polnyi razgrom. Seichas, po sluham, idut podkrepleniia. Estestvennyi vopros: ZACHEM? Otvet neponiaten. Generaly sami po sebe daleko ne idioty. Imeetsia bogatyi opyt podobnyh neudachnyh shturmov (Afgan). Malo togo, za tri dnia do vsego ministr oborony Grachev ustroil press-konferenciiu, gde vpolne tolkovo i vniatno ob'iasnil, pochemu Groznyi shturmovat' nel'zia. I vdrug - takoi bred. Krov', pozor, i proch. I ved' liubomu leitenantu izvestno, chto v nashe vremia goroda ne shturmuiut! Edinstvennoe, chto mogu predpolojit' - chto Bol'shoe Nachal'stvo potrebovalo vse konchit' "v tri dnia". Sudia po vsemu, v Kremle vse davno uje v graduse "chert s nimi, s jertvami i mirnymi jiteliami, no etih banditov my vse-taki likvidiruem". Svolochi. Nu i poluchili. Snimaia obvinenie v "genocide": bol'shinstvo mirnyh grajdan, ostavshihsia v Groznom i gibnushih ot strel'by i bombejek - eto RUSSKIE. (Chechencam bylo, konechno, namnogo proshe, chem russkim, vyvezti sem'i k rodstvennikam v derevniu - blije. A procentnyi sostav v Groznom byl, vidimo, primerno fifty-fifty.) No comments. Netrivial'nye momenty: 1) V Groznom nachisto otsutstvuet kakaia-to vrajda mejdu mestnymi russkimi i chechencami. Neveroiatno, no fakt. Russkie korrespondenty spokoino iterv'iuiruiut soldat Dudaeva, russkie babushki hodiat za vodoi (vodoprovod, konechno, ne rabotaet). Nikakih soobshenii o pogromah i raspravah nad mestnymi russkimi ne bylo ni razu ni iz odnogo istochnika. 2) Otnoshenie k plennym soldatam - po-prejnemu absoliutno korrektnoe. Plennyh kormiat i poiat, ranenyh lechat, korrespondentam razreshaiut s nimi obshat'sia. 3) U Dudaeva postoianno nahoditsia - dobrovol'no i svobodno - gruppa deputatov Dumy (=parlamenta) vo glave s S.Kovalevym (biolog, byvshii dissident, pri Brejneve sidel, chelovek iskliuchitel'noi poriadochnosti). Oni postoianno soobshali o jertvah bombejek. Chest' im i slava. V obshem, stydno i merzko. Chto budet dal'she, poniat' nevozmojno - no, pohoje, budut bol'shie peremeny. Horosho by poubavit' kolichestvo idiotov na vysshih postah... Opros: "polnnost'iu doveriaiut prezidentu" - 13%, "bolee-menee" - 16%, "ne doveriaiut" - 65%. No comments. Skol'ko-nibud' otvetstvennye liudi (urovnia direktorov zavodov, ravno kak i bankov), uslyshav familiiu Elkina, reflektorno materiatsia. Naibolee uvajaemy v etih krugah - prem'er Chernomyrdin, pred. Dumy Rybkin i mer Moskvy Lujkov - vse troe za um i professionalizm, a ne za politiku. V armii - brojenie. Avtoritet ministra oborony Gracheva byl na nule eshe do Chechni, a uj seichas... Pri etom est' dva bezuslovno ves'ma tolkovyh i populiarnyh v voiskah generala (Gromov i Lebed'). Oba pozvoliaiut sebe ehidnye repliki. Konechno, v nyneshnei situacii Elkin nikogo iz nih ministrom oborony ne naznachit - proshe uj srazu podat' v otstavku. Ne iskliucheno, chto i pridetsia. Sluh: lichnoe sostoianie Dudaeva - bol'she milliarda dollarov nalichnymi. Poskol'ku cherez Chechniu iz Rossii uplylo po men'shei mere neskol'ko (a, vozmojno, mnogo) milliardov $ - zvuchit pravdopodobno. V zakliuchenie - nebol'shoi istoricheskii ekskurs: "Zapiski" generala Ermolova, glavnoupravliaiushego Kavkazom v 1816-1826 i, v chastnosti, osnovatelia kreposti Groznaia. Povtoriaiu, eto 1816 god. "Nije po techeniiu Tereka jivut chechency, samye zleishie iz razboinikov <...>. Obshestvo ih ves'ma maloliudno, no chrezvychaino umnojilos' v poslednie neskol'ko let, ibo prinimalis' drujestvenno zlodei vseh prochih narodov, ostavliaiushie zemliu svoiu po kakim-libo prestupleniiam. Chechniu mojno spravedlivo nazvat' gnezdom vseh razboinikov." Kommentarii: vse - odin v odin k nyneshnei situacii (v Chechne baziruiutsia professional'nye bandity so vsego Severnogo Kavkaza - zdes' oni v principe nedosiagaemy dlia rossiskoi milicii, a gde-nibud' v Dagestane mogut i zamesti.) Eto tak, k slovu. ---------------- Kto-to iz deputatov Dumy, tol'ko chto vernuvshihsya iz Groznogo, nazval cifru v 180 podbityh tankov i BTRov. ---------- Programma Vremya (a e`to teper' opyat' oficial'noe nazvanie, dazhe muzyka ta zhe, Vremya vpered) povydavala eqe perlov: chechency de razlili sinil'nuyu kislotu na puti russkih vojsk, a takzhe vypustili hlora.

"This war is a crime. Let us do something!" (by coordinator)

From: sasha@super.ece.jhu.edu (Alexander Kaplan) Date: Wed, 4 Jan 95 21:29:28 EST To: info-russ@smarty.ece.jhu.edu Subject:INFO-RUSS:ya vam pishu, chego zhe bole, chto ya mogu esche skazat'... Status: OR Dear folks, A few weeks ago, Russia started its war against Chechnya. It is clear by now (if it wasn't clear to some of you earlier), that this war is a crime, a war of extermination waged by the Russian military largely against civilian population; it is a mass violation of human rights; it has already came close to genocide; and who knows what will happen next. We've got quite a lot of reports (in particular by Andrianov and Suhanov) from Moscow. Good people in Russia are doing what they can to stop this war. We can do here even more. As was suggested on this net by Maxim Poliashenko , we can call our senators and congressmen, and send e-mail to Mr. President and Vice-President, telling them "NO U.S. AID, NO U.S. MONEY FOR CRIMINAL GOVERNMENT OF RUSSIA !!!" Boris Velikson , posted here a copy of his letter to President Clinton of similar content. Oleg Kolosov suggested that this kind of letters be sent to the governments and influential organizations in other Western countries. I've sent my letter to Mr. President too (anybody who is interested can ask me for a copy). At this point, however, I decided to go one step further. I want to suggest that those of us who support an action of the United States Government to stop the war of Russia against Chechnya send a collective letter to Mr. President of the United States and Mr. Vice-President. With a lot of signatures, the letter will have a chance to be read. (Sure, sure, I do remember that old joke about intelegent i huligan where the intelegent in response to the voice of reason -- "Ne pi**i!" -- screams "Net, ya budu pi**et', ya printsipial'no budu pi**et'!":-):-). Yet, like an old battle horse:-), here I go... Anyway, below you'll find the text of the proposed letter. I tried to make it short and to the point, and write it the way hopefully acceptable to as many of you as possible. We can do it in two possible ways. (i) You send me your "signatures" and I compile them into one block together with the text of the letter and get it out to Mr. President and Mr. Vice-President. I'll be waiting for your msgs until Jan. 10'95, noon, collect whatever signatures I've got, and get the letter out. If anybody got their signatures to me later, I can send an "addendum" letter to the same addressees. (ii) You can use this text below for your OWN letters to whoever you think is best. If you do so, I would still appreciate it if you send me a msg notifying me that you've sent it out (I need it basically for my statistics). My own opinion though is that the larger single "snowball" we generate, the better. If in your signature you are eligible to use titles like "Prof.", "Dr.", "Group Leader", "MD", "Director", "President (or Vice-President) of Co.", or anything of this nature, please do NOT hesitate of using them; I actually would encourage you to do so! (unlike our regular postings, in which I usualy discourage it:-). Same, if you are a US citizen. BUT, folks, a signature of ANYONE of you will count! (either in the US or outside of it; academia people and business; housewives and free spirits:-); males and females, etc.; but no pets, please:-). I strongly encourage you to join the letter if you support its main thrust. Aside from your name, you may want to use your address (office or home, it doesn't matter), and your e-mail. If any of your friends who are not IR-subscribers, wish to join the letter, they are most welcome too; just include their names in your msg to me (of course, with their consent only). The more signatures, the better; I am thinking of at least 100 signatures which makes it a bit less than 10% of the total number of IR-subscribers (there are about 1050 of us now). I may also need a few volunteers (preferably -- veteran subscribers) to help me to handle the job of compiling the signatures into a single list (if I really get a lot of them:-), so please in your msgs regarding joining the letter, indicate whether you are willing to help me. If there are no strong objections, I'll be joining this letter too (just for you not to feel lonely:-). My best, and Happy New Year, --Alex (Sasha) Kaplan, INFO-RUSS owner/coordinator ------------------------------------------------------------------- To: Mr. William Clinton, President of the United States Cc: Mr. Albert Gore, Vice-President of the United States White House Washington, DC Dear Mr. President and Mr. Vice-President: We want to express our grave concerns over the war by Russia against the break-away republic of Chechnya and the position of the United States in what is happening. The war waged by the Russian government and its military largely against the civilian population is a violation of human rights on a grand scale, bordering on genocide. The losses among the population are tremendous; hundreds thousand of people, including women and children, have became refugees. There is no justification whatsoever for the Russian government to methodically murder civilians. To maintain that what is happening is the internal matter of the Russian government, is to greatly encourage its criminal behavior. The United States Government must use all its clout to stop the war. A possible way to do that is to make it known to the Russian government that all financial aid, all agreements advancing Russia's interests, will be frozen or canceled altogether if the war continues. We are asking you to use all the means available to you, to influence the Russian government to terminate the war. With our best regards,

"We have 200+ signatures!!! " (by coordinator)

From: sasha@super.ece.jhu.edu (Alexander Kaplan) Date: Mon, 9 Jan 95 23:31:21 EST To: info-russ@smarty.ece.jhu.edu Subject:SIGNATURES Status: OR Dear folks-"podpisants" (signatories that is:-) -- or is it signees?:-) If you received this msg (27 kb!!), your signature is under that letter to Mr. President (and whoever else is there in Washington, DC:-) regarding the criminal war by Russian government against Chechnya. (Don't pay attention on the "INFO-RUSS" heading lines: I am just using INFO-RUSS mailer with the list of your addresses, and this msg is not broadcasted to the entire info-russ list.) We have now 218 signatures!!!! (as of 10 pm, Jan. 9'95). The inflow of msgs overhelmed me; frankly, I was (pleasantly) surprised. But it also costed me dearly; last night I've slept only three hours. Next time, folks, it will be somebody's else turn to collect the signatures:-). OK, below you find that letter, somewhat polished and corrected, but with NO major changes compared with the original draft (the main change is the sentence in the very end of the letter "We are also asking you to promote a peaceful settlement of the conflict through appropriate international bodies." against which I hope there would be no objection). My most profound and warm thanks to all of you, folks, for joining this little "scream in wilderness":-). Yes, the chance that our voice will influence the policy of the US government is slim; but when you walk, the planet turns around under you, you know... (just a bit, yet...:-). And, in the end of the day, no lesser thing is a piece with yourself... Thanks also to those of you who sent in your critical comments, corrections, etc. I am still open for corrections in English (but no conceptual changes or additions, please; too many of us have already approved the text...) Hopefully, I'll be able to prepare all the stuff tomorrow morning and get it out by e-mail and faxes -- do you know it is 22 pages long? As to the war itself -- gosh, I even don't want to think of what is coming next. A feeling as if you see a horrible dream and cannot wake up... One more thing: I frankly don't know where to put my own signature. Temporarily, I've put it on the top of heap (well, this way I sort of take a bit greater responsibility if anything goes wrong); but than again it doesn't look very modest:-). If you have a strong feeling that this should be changed, please let me know. My best , Alex (Sasha) Kaplan THIRD (UPDATED) DRAFT OF INFO-RUSS GROUP LETTER (January 9'95) ------------------------------------------------------------------- (The text is ommited here) ---------------------------------------------------------------

"My friend, you are one of 230+ signees. Thanks!" (by coordinator)

>From INFO-RUSS-request@smarty.ece.jhu.edu Wed Jan 11 21:32:16 EST 1995 Errors-To: INFO-RUSS-request@smarty.ece.jhu.edu Sender: INFO-RUSS-request@smarty.ece.jhu.edu Precedence: bulk Received: by smarty.ece.jhu.edu (5.61/1.18jrs) id AA21436; Wed, 11 Jan 95 21:32:13 -0500 Message-Id: <9501120232.AA21436@smarty.ece.jhu.edu> From: sasha@super.ece.jhu.edu (Alexander Kaplan) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 95 21:32:12 EST X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (6.5.6 6/30/89) To: info-russ@smarty.ece.jhu.edu Subject: 230+ Status: ORr Dear folks-"podpisants", If you got this msg on your screen, your signature is under the letter to Mr. President, etc., regarding the war in Chechnya. And you are one of 230+ signees. The text was left as in the third draft (with minor grammar corrections). As I've promised you, I've got the letter out to White House (i. e. to both Mr. President and Mr. Vice President) and to the House Speaker on Tuesday, January 10'95, before midnight (only these three appear to have their e-mail addresses). All the day today we have been trying to get the letter (25 pages) by FAX to the rest of the people on the list -- and got them ALL out except one (to the Senate Majority Leader), which we'll hopefully be able to send out tomorrow (the problem: all these fax numbers are hopelessly busy). OK, except for a possible addendum (i. e. if I get enough post-deadline signatures), that little effort of ours is over. My thanks to all of you -- you made it possible. No war will stop just because we signed that letter, everybody knows that. Yet if not you, then who? And yes, I do believe it can make a difference. Somebody up there (aside from Mr. President's staff and KGB:-) got to keep count, right?:-). V sinem nebe, kolokol'nyami prokolotom, -- Mednyi kolokol, mednyi kolokol tol' vozradovalsya, to li oserchal. Kupola v Rossii kroyut chistym zolotom, chtoby chasche Gospod' zamechal... My best, --Alex (Sasha for you:-) Kaplan INFO-RUSS owner/coordinator

"They came from the all walks of life..." (by coordinator)

From INFO-RUSS-request@smarty.ece.jhu.edu Wed Jan 11 22:44:17 EST 1995 Errors-To: INFO-RUSS-request@smarty.ece.jhu.edu Sender: INFO-RUSS-request@smarty.ece.jhu.edu Precedence: bulk Received: by smarty.ece.jhu.edu (5.61/1.18jrs) id AA21577; Wed, 11 Jan 95 22:44:15 -0500 Message-Id: <9501120344.AA21577@smarty.ece.jhu.edu> From: sasha@super.ece.jhu.edu (Alexander Kaplan) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 95 22:44:14 EST X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (6.5.6 6/30/89) To: info-russ@smarty.ece.jhu.edu Subject:INFO-RUSS:uzhe skazali...:-) Status: OR Dear folks, You (some of you at least:-) might be interested to know that that little project of ours -- a letter to Mr. President of the United States in which we asked him to use all the means available to him to influence the Russian government to stop the war in Chechnya -- has been completed as planned: we've got 230+ signatures under that letter (more than twice of what I expected), and it has already been sent out to all the addressees. While most of the signees belong to the US academic and high-tech community, among them (us) are people from all walks of life and from all the countries and continents (including Antarctica!). Although most of people who signed it are US citizens (or citizens of other Western countries), there are many citizens of Russia on the list, and quite a few of them currently reside in Russia. One of them is a 15 year old boy, who collected 60 signatures in Moscow for the letter against the war, which was sent to the Russian government. Those of you who signed the letter have already received a msg from me. The rest of you will have to wait for the next chance (oh, sure, with Russia, the chances are plenty!) to realize which way it all goes. Kak vsyo eto znakomo, znakomo eto nam, pishite nam, pishite po starym adresam... (those who ever heard this song, know that Yulik Kim was in the end singing "po novym adresam" -- and probably remember why...) But, anyway, it will be your headache then... (gosh, I've got enough of them this time around:-). Now, I want to apologize to all of you: most likely I'll be away from the campus for a couple days, without access to the internet, and therefore no news will be broadcasted. Sorry for that. --Alex Kaplan, INFO-RUSS owner/coordinator
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